To all:
With help from Craig and Reindl, I've understood what happens with the
automated entry of port 631 for udp/tcp and how to rewrite to not make
it a world access (in/out) rule. Waiting for next install of F16 to test
when and how the automated entry happens.
I saw this entry in iptable
On 3/24/2012 7:43 PM, Craig White wrote:
On Sat, 2012-03-24 at 19:18 -0700, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
On 3/24/2012 6:30 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 24.03.2012 14:29, schrieb Craig White:
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 22:07 -0700, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
Hello:
I am noticing that when I install a pri
Am 25.03.2012 04:00, schrieb Joe Zeff:
> On 03/24/2012 06:40 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:
>> As a rule, someone who says whatever-agnostic means whatever-apathetic.
>
> Possibly referring to it as "DE indifferent" would be best.
why do you not realize that all your stiff is off-topic?
the answer
On 03/24/2012 07:41 PM, Craig White wrote:
a victory for the intellectually incurious is a victory indeed. Fix the
symptom, and let someone else fix the problem.
Sarcasm and insults have their place. I didn't know that this list was it.
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On Sat, 2012-03-24 at 19:18 -0700, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
> On 3/24/2012 6:30 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >
> > Am 24.03.2012 14:29, schrieb Craig White:
> >> On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 22:07 -0700, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
> >>> Hello:
> >>>
> >>> I am noticing that when I install a printer on my loca
On Sat, 2012-03-24 at 19:35 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 03/24/2012 07:28 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> > In any case, it is*not* a "requirement" as you've stated. It is a
> > "kludge" to get
> > around another problem.
>
> *Shrug!* I'm only quoting what I was told and reporting that it worked
> for
On 03/25/2012 10:35 AM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> *Shrug!* I'm only quoting what I was told and reporting that it worked for
> me.
> You can argue all you want about whether or not it's a "requirement," but the
> fact
> remains that it worked for me, 2 for 2.
Yes, it worked for you. But, just like d
On 03/24/2012 07:28 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
In any case, it is*not* a "requirement" as you've stated. It is a "kludge" to
get
around another problem.
*Shrug!* I'm only quoting what I was told and reporting that it worked
for me. You can argue all you want about whether or not it's a
"requi
On 03/25/2012 10:16 AM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> No. However, I tried to get sound just before adding myself to the group. It
> failed on both boxes. On my desktop, it started working as soon as I made the
> change. On the laptop, I had to log out and back in before I got sound. On
> both
> boxes, t
I managed to boot from the F13, F14 and F15 install isos.
Still no go with F16.
To boot F13, I needed to point at a partition
that was a copy of the F13 iso.
To boot F14 and F15, I needed to point at a
filesystem that had their respective isos as files.
For F15, I did the install. F16 seems to
On 3/24/2012 6:30 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 24.03.2012 14:29, schrieb Craig White:
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 22:07 -0700, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
Hello:
I am noticing that when I install a printer on my local network, I get
an entry added to iptables to the effect of:
+++
-A INPUT -m state --s
On 03/24/2012 07:09 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
Have you since gone back and removed yourself from the "audio" group to check
your work?
No. However, I tried to get sound just before adding myself to the
group. It failed on both boxes. On my desktop, it started working as
soon as I made the cha
On 03/25/2012 09:57 AM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 03/24/2012 04:18 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> Where did you get that nugget of information?
>
> I got it from fedoraforum.org. And, after "upgrading" both my desktop and
> laptop
> to F16, neither of them had sound until I did it.
You said "requirement" a
On 03/24/2012 06:40 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:
As a rule, someone who says whatever-agnostic means whatever-apathetic.
Possibly referring to it as "DE indifferent" would be best.
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On 03/24/2012 06:27 PM, Craig White wrote:
regardless of whatever DE you choose, packages run because the necessary
libs are installed.
Yes. I know. I also know that I can install Gnome-centric programs
without pulling in other parts of Gnome because they're already
installed. Thus, it's h
On 03/24/2012 04:18 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
Where did you get that nugget of information?
I got it from fedoraforum.org. And, after "upgrading" both my desktop
and laptop to F16, neither of them had sound until I did it.
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On Sat, 24 Mar 2012, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 24.03.2012 19:49, schrieb Joe Zeff:
On 03/24/2012 11:38 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
how does this matter?
It means that if I already have the program I have no way of knowing if it's DE
agnostic, or simply left over from when I used Gnome
what is "
On Sat, 2012-03-24 at 11:30 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 03/24/2012 06:18 AM, Craig White wrote:
> > No - but I was assuming that a Fedora user would at least at least have
> > enough sense to try running system-config-services before jumping to any
> > conclusions and thus find out that it is an ex
On 03/25/2012 05:15 AM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 03/24/2012 01:52 PM, don fisher wrote:
>>
>> but no sound:-(
>
> Make sure you're in the audio group, because that's required as of F 16. You
> may
> need to log out and back in to get it working. Yes, I know that it's a stupid
> requirement, but it w
On 24 Mar 2012 at 11:58, les wrote:
Subject:Re: Updates not occurring, manual update errors
out
From: les
To: Michael Schwendt
Date sent: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 11:58:38 -0700
Copies to: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> H
On 03/24/2012 01:52 PM, don fisher wrote:
but no sound:-(
Make sure you're in the audio group, because that's required as of F 16.
You may need to log out and back in to get it working. Yes, I know
that it's a stupid requirement, but it wasn't *my* idea.
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On 03/23/12 18:38, stan wrote:
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 18:05:26 -0700
don fisher wrote:
I am trying to find documentation on the alsa/pulse audio system. My
goal is to set it up independent of gnome or KDE.
This is the default configuration for Fedora out of the box.
If I run KDE the sound wor
On 24 March 2012 11:14, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
>
> Am 24.03.2012 11:58, schrieb Ian Malone:
>> Exhibit B:
>>> seems you do not realize that Linux is these days
>>> the OS supporting most hardware of all out of the
>>> box and you must do something terrible wrong buy
>>> unsupported hardware
>>>
>>
On 03/24/2012 11:53 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
what is "DE agnostic"? you will not believe it but you can even make
"yum install gftp gedit" on KDE systems
Yes, by bringing in whatever Gnome packages it needs. "DE agnostic"
doesn't care what the DE is because it doesn't need any support package
Hi, Ed and Michael,
For now I ran manual updates on everything that did not depend on the
GCC stuff (none of that would update anyway.), and now fingers crossed
that we get the other bit done soon. Are any of rest of you having the
same issue?
I was going to ask what would make my
Am 24.03.2012 19:49, schrieb Joe Zeff:
> On 03/24/2012 11:38 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> how does this matter?
>
> It means that if I already have the program I have no way of knowing if it's
> DE
> agnostic, or simply left over from when I used Gnome
what is "DE agnostic"? you will not belie
On 03/24/2012 11:38 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
how does this matter?
It means that if I already have the program I have no way of knowing if
it's DE agnostic, or simply left over from when I used Gnome.
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Am 24.03.2012 19:30, schrieb Joe Zeff:
> On 03/24/2012 06:18 AM, Craig White wrote:
>> No - but I was assuming that a Fedora user would at least at least have
>> enough sense to try running system-config-services before jumping to any
>> conclusions and thus find out that it is an executable that
On 03/24/2012 06:18 AM, Craig White wrote:
No - but I was assuming that a Fedora user would at least at least have
enough sense to try running system-config-services before jumping to any
conclusions and thus find out that it is an executable that will run
irrespective of the DE.
My finding it
On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 10:46:01 +0100
Frantisek Hanzlik wrote:
> I'm accustomed have longer bash history - usually my HISTSIZE=1.
> Never from Redhat 4 epoch was problems with this, but now at F15 and
> F16 I in several cases I found weirdness, when my commands are
> missing in history, in one c
On 24.03.2012, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
> I don't think I have hardware problems, since I don't have problems with
> any other programs. Tracker is not easy to disable or remove. Obvious
> ways to disable it don't seem to work. Other packages depend on it, in
> particular totem, grilo, and bras
On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 20:30 +0100, Heinz Diehl wrote:
> On 08.03.2012, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
>
> > What is "Tracker"
>
> http://projects.gnome.org/tracker/
>
> > and why is it crashing all the time? Almost every
> > time I start my system, I get an Abrt warning with this message:
> >
> >
On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 06:43:11 -0700 Craig White
wrote:
> On Sat, 2012-03-24 at 08:24 -0500, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> > On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 06:18:45 -0700 Craig White
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 10:37 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
> > > > On 03/23/2012 05:27 AM, Craig White wrote:
> > > > >
On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 06:44:05 +0200
Alek Paunov wrote:
> On 20.03.2012 20:30, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:12:37 +0200
> > Alek Paunov wrote:
> >
> >> Which is the proper way to vote and describe potential benefits of
> >> a new package, with candidate maintainer who needs sponso
Frantisek Hanzlik wrote:
> And more - at several important machines when I want reboot
> them, I press for logging off and then login on for this only
> "shutdown -r now" command. And by then I at these machines not
> observed problems with bash history. Maybe it is speculation,
> but seem for me a
don fisher comcast.net> writes:
>
> I am trying to find documentation on the alsa/pulse audio system. My
> goal is to set it up independent of gnome or KDE.
>
> Thanks,
> don
I ran into a similar problem with my FC16 installation of the Xfce re-spin. The
solution I finally came up with was t
Frantisek Hanzlik wrote:
> Hello, up to Fedora 15 including, there was ipv6 as loadable kernel
> module and was not problem disable/not load it. But recent F15 and
> F16 kernels have IPV6 support compiled in kernel, know anyone for
> which reason? For IPv4-only sites (which is absolute majority) th
suvayu ali wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 12:39, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote:
>> suvayu ali wrote:
>>> On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 10:46, Frantisek Hanzlik
>>> wrote:
IMO it is problem in newer bash versions, but yet more I suspect
when it may be any cripled systemd behavior at init 0/6 (sorr
On Sat, 2012-03-24 at 08:24 -0500, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 06:18:45 -0700 Craig White
> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 10:37 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
> > > On 03/23/2012 05:27 AM, Craig White wrote:
> > > > no - if command line syntax/invocations are challenging, you can do t
I have a Dell 14z laptop. That has Nvidia Optimus technology.
$ lspci | grep -i vga
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation
Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Device 1050 (rev a1)
Currentl
Hello, up to Fedora 15 including, there was ipv6 as loadable kernel
module and was not problem disable/not load it. But recent F15 and
F16 kernels have IPV6 support compiled in kernel, know anyone for
which reason? For IPv4-only sites (which is absolute majority) this
is unneeded...
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Am 24.03.2012 14:29, schrieb Craig White:
> On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 22:07 -0700, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
>> Hello:
>>
>> I am noticing that when I install a printer on my local network, I get
>> an entry added to iptables to the effect of:
>> +++
>> -A INPUT -m state --state NEW -m udp -p udp --d
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 22:07 -0700, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
> Hello:
>
> I am noticing that when I install a printer on my local network, I get
> an entry added to iptables to the effect of:
> +++
> -A INPUT -m state --state NEW -m udp -p udp --dprot 631 -j ACCEPT
> +++
>
> It actually shows up
On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 06:18:45 -0700 Craig White
wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 10:37 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
> > On 03/23/2012 05:27 AM, Craig White wrote:
> > > no - if command line syntax/invocations are challenging, you can do this
> > > rather simply via the 'system-config-services' gui.
> >
>
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 12:39, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote:
> suvayu ali wrote:
>> On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 10:46, Frantisek Hanzlik
>> wrote:
>>> IMO it is problem in newer bash versions, but yet more I suspect
>>> when it may be any cripled systemd behavior at init 0/6 (sorry, i
>>> want say powerof
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 10:37 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 03/23/2012 05:27 AM, Craig White wrote:
> > no - if command line syntax/invocations are challenging, you can do this
> > rather simply via the 'system-config-services' gui.
>
> Assuming, of course, that your DE has something like that. Not a
suvayu ali wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 10:46, Frantisek Hanzlik
> wrote:
>> IMO it is problem in newer bash versions, but yet more I suspect
>> when it may be any cripled systemd behavior at init 0/6 (sorry, i
>> want say poweroff.target/reboot.target ;), whether systemd (in
>> order to halt/
suvayu ali wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 10:46, Frantisek Hanzlik
> wrote:
>> IMO it is problem in newer bash versions, but yet more I suspect
>> when it may be any cripled systemd behavior at init 0/6 (sorry, i
>> want say poweroff.target/reboot.target ;), whether systemd (in
>> order to halt/
Am 24.03.2012 11:58, schrieb Ian Malone:
> Exhibit B:
>> seems you do not realize that Linux is these days
>> the OS supporting most hardware of all out of the
>> box and you must do something terrible wrong buy
>> unsupported hardware
>>
> Like buy graphics cards from one of the major manufactur
On 23 March 2012 22:25, Reindl Harald wrote:
Exhibit A:
> the other OSs just work?
> who told you?
>
> they only do because the manufactoror put a driver
> CD in the package or the OS is preinstalled
Exhibit B:
> seems you do not realize that Linux is these days
> the OS supporting most hardware
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 10:46, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote:
> IMO it is problem in newer bash versions, but yet more I suspect when
> it may be any cripled systemd behavior at init 0/6 (sorry, i want
> say poweroff.target/reboot.target ;), whether systemd (in order to
> halt/reboot computer several mi
On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 01:01:44 -0700, L (les) wrote:
> Hi, everyone,
> I thought I saw this go by on someone else's dime, but I can't find the
> requisite thread now. Googling did not help me. Here is the error
> message:
> ==
> Error: Package: clang-2.
I finally set aside time to try to upgrade my Fedora 14 box to F16,
but I'me failing at the first hurdle.
Anaconda is crashing out with a kernel bug shortly after selecting
the OS to update:
kernel bug security/selinux/ss/services.c:655
invalid opcode [#1] SMP
Pid: 855, comm: anaco
I'm accustomed have longer bash history - usually my HISTSIZE=1.
Never from Redhat 4 epoch was problems with this, but now at F15 and
F16 I in several cases I found weirdness, when my commands are
missing in history, in one case I had .bash_history completely empty.
IMO it is problem in newer
Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote:
>> How they were started does not seem to have much to do with chkconfig.
>
> The init system used a series of hard-coded numbers in the init scripts
> to judge which services were to be started in which sequence, which was
> a horrible mess.
>
> You had to make su
On 03/24/2012 04:21 PM, les wrote:
> I must have typed something wrong in the search last time, because this
> time it came up.
>
> The message from September said to use the following command, but on my
> system I didn't get much joy. Any hints out there?
>
> # yumdownloader evolution-data-serv
On Sat, 2012-03-24 at 01:01 -0700, les wrote:
> Hi, everyone,
> I thought I saw this go by on someone else's dime, but I can't find the
> requisite thread now. Googling did not help me. Here is the error
> message:
> ==
> Error: Package: clang-2.9-6.fc
Hi, everyone,
I thought I saw this go by on someone else's dime, but I can't find the
requisite thread now. Googling did not help me. Here is the error
message:
==
Error: Package: clang-2.9-6.fc16.x86_64 (@updates)
Requires: gcc-c++ = 4.6.
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