Re: Games on Linux

2012-10-25 Thread Ian Malone
On 25 October 2012 04:37, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 16:09:17 -0700, Alan Evans ame.fed...@gmail.com wrote: Apple is essentially single-platform and Microsoft at least tries to keep things backward-compatible. The Linux kernel devs seem, at least to the

Re: Games on Linux

2012-10-25 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Paul Stuffins paul.stuff...@orqoo.comwrote: Don't forget that there are hundreds of distros, that may or may not use different versions of the same libraries. As an example, Ubuntu uses Gnome3, but not Gnome Shell, Linux Mint, which is based on Ubuntu uses a

Ubuntu Re: Games on Linux

2012-10-25 Thread Frank Murphy
On 24/10/12 23:04, Paul Stuffins wrote: give us some money page before you get to download the ISO. iirc, they're not breaking any freedom by doing so. They are asking for a donation, as does many projects on Sourceforge. -- Regards, Frank Jack of all, fubars -- users mailing list

Re: Games on Linux

2012-10-25 Thread Ian Malone
On 25 October 2012 08:25, Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 October 2012 04:37, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 16:09:17 -0700, Alan Evans ame.fed...@gmail.com wrote: Apple is essentially single-platform and Microsoft at least tries to keep things

Re: Games on Linux

2012-10-25 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2012-10-25 at 12:37 +0100, Ian Malone wrote: Oh, and sound, the weird state of sound for years was a problem too. Games are supposed to be fun, too much end user configuration to get them working puts people off before you've started. The few brief years that I put up with Windows, and

Re: Games on Linux

2012-10-25 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 1:32 AM, Alan Evans ame.fed...@gmail.com wrote: Of course. I was only using that as an example. What I meant to convey (and I clearly did a poor job) was that this problem runs through the system, starting at the deepest levels. I don't even bother sending binaries to

Re: Games on Linux

2012-10-25 Thread Alan Cox
In my humble opinion (humble but strong ;)... that´s what Java is for. :) to isolate app development from the underlying complexities of each system. With OpenJDK 7 on almost every distro, soon OpenJDK 8, and JavaFX -soon to be fully open source, see below- things will only get better. I

Re: Games on Linux

2012-10-25 Thread Ian Malone
On 25 October 2012 13:20, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Even on the most prolific OS, Windows, sound and graphics are the two main problems, and it looks like they always will be. Then there's the issue that only the game players with money will have a computer system with a good

Re: Games on Linux

2012-10-25 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Alan Cox a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk wrote: I don't know any serious games producer who considers Java anything but a comedy item. Oh RLY? I expected that sort of prejudiced comment... that´s why I had the following link up my sleeve... We were talking mobile...

Re: Games on Linux

2012-10-25 Thread Alan Cox
On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 10:14:36 -0300 Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Alan Cox a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk wrote: I don't know any serious games producer who considers Java anything but a comedy item. Oh RLY? I expected that sort of prejudiced

Re: Games on Linux

2012-10-25 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 25.10.2012 01:09, schrieb Alan Evans: Apple is essentially single-platform and Microsoft at least tries to keep things backward-compatible. The Linux kernel devs seem, at least to the uninitiated, to have some kind of animosity to the very idea of ABI compatibility. Witness VMWare

Re: Games on Linux

2012-10-25 Thread Fernando Lozano
Hi, I don't know any serious games producer who considers Java anything but a comedy item. Oh RLY? I expected that sort of prejudiced comment... that´s why I had the following link up my sleeve... We were talking mobile... For desk accessories like angry birds maybe - but its too slow for

Re: logrotate/logwatch error on fc15

2012-10-25 Thread Alex
The script should be written to use 'file' not just parse the extension. Why? Just because in .001% of the time the extension will be wrong? Not exactly an efficient use of resources. Are you in that much of a hurry to get your logwatch reports? I'd prefer to have a more accurate program

Re: Games on Linux

2012-10-25 Thread Alan Evans
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 25.10.2012 01:09, schrieb Alan Evans: Apple is essentially single-platform and Microsoft at least tries to keep things backward-compatible. The Linux kernel devs seem, at least to the uninitiated, to have some kind of animosity to the

Re: Games on Linux

2012-10-25 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Fernando Lozano ferna...@lozano.eti.br wrote: Java could be a really nice platform for games, but Sun/Oracle/etc focused on the EE edition, the SE/ME editions didn't evolved quick enough to make a real impact on the games and desktop market. :-( Things are

Newbie question abt network install

2012-10-25 Thread vendor
Sorry if this is the wrong forum -- if it is, please direct me to the right one. I rent a virtual personal server in another city that runs Fedora 16. I want to upgrade it to 17. I did the yum-based preupgrade and such, but am stuck. The instructions I read said to reboot and then choose

Re: Newbie question abt network install

2012-10-25 Thread Doug
On 10/25/2012 09:46 PM, ven...@billoblog.com wrote: Sorry if this is the wrong forum -- if it is, please direct me to the right one. I rent a virtual personal server in another city that runs Fedora 16. I want to upgrade it to 17. I did the yum-based preupgrade and such, but am stuck.

Re: Newbie question abt network install

2012-10-25 Thread vendor
I did -- he said that it was my responsibility to upgrade the virtual machine. The service they would provide would only be a reinstall of the image of Fedora 16. The bottom line is that I'm give a virtual box and 5 static ips, and all maintenance is my responsibility. billo On Thu, 25

Re: Newbie question abt network install

2012-10-25 Thread jdow
yum upgrade? {^_^} On 2012/10/25 19:47, ven...@billoblog.com wrote: I did -- he said that it was my responsibility to upgrade the virtual machine. The service they would provide would only be a reinstall of the image of Fedora 16. The bottom line is that I'm give a virtual box and 5 static

Re: Newbie question abt network install

2012-10-25 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/26/2012 06:04 AM, jdow wrote: yum upgrade? Thanks to Fedora's (IMO: absurd) UsrMove Feature, this doesn't work smoothly for -F17 upgrades. IIRC, there's a wiki page somewhere (on Fedoraproject.org?) describing the nasty details - It's pretty tedious and risky ;) Ralf -- users

Re: Newbie question abt network install

2012-10-25 Thread Steven Stern
On 10/25/2012 08:46 PM, ven...@billoblog.com wrote: Sorry if this is the wrong forum -- if it is, please direct me to the right one. I rent a virtual personal server in another city that runs Fedora 16. I want to upgrade it to 17. I did the yum-based preupgrade and such, but am stuck.