Re: KMail trash folder? [solved]

2013-01-19 Thread Peter Gueckel
JPAM69 wrote: > I just found in another post a trick, which worked for me: > > just create the 'trash' folder, quit the kontact application, start it > again. kmail will automatically recognize the 'trash' directory, will > assign the trash icon to it and all removed messages will be moved fr

Keyboard and mouse freezes with F18

2013-01-19 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
I'm having a problem with F18 (updated from F17 using fedup and distro-sync). The system configuration is: Intel i915 onboard chipset Hardwired keyboard and mouse Flatron W2243S monitor F18 x86_64 xorg-x11-server-Xorg-1.13.1-4.fc18.x86_64 KDE 4.9.5-2.fc18.x86_64 qt-4.8.4-6.fc18.x86_64 Mesa 9.0.1-3

Re: audio works in VC but not in an xterm

2013-01-19 Thread Andras Simon
Some more details: In X: aplay -l aplay: device_list:256: no soundcards found... In VC: aplay -l List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC662 rev1 Analog [ALC662 rev1 Analog] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 lspci -v gives the same result

audio works in VC but not in an xterm

2013-01-19 Thread Andras Simon
This is an up-to-date, PulseAudio-less F18/Xfce running on an eeepc. In an xterm, mplayer -ao alsa ... says [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: confmisc.c:768:(parse_card) cannot find card '0' [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: conf.c:4246:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_card_driver returned error: Permission denied [A

Re: gtk3 theme with arrows in scrollbars?

2013-01-19 Thread Ed Greshko
On 01/20/2013 07:50 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: > Is it possible to switch to some gtk theme that will > bring back the arrows I could click on in scrollbars? > > Or are arrows now utterly verboten in gtk3? > > It is almost impossible to scroll "just a little bit" > through a long list by dragging the t

Re: gtk3 theme with arrows in scrollbars?

2013-01-19 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
On 19/01/13 18:50, Tom Horsley wrote: Is it possible to switch to some gtk theme that will bring back the arrows I could click on in scrollbars? Or are arrows now utterly verboten in gtk3? It is almost impossible to scroll "just a little bit" through a long list by dragging the thumb. In X

/etc/fonts/conf.d/50-user.conf

2013-01-19 Thread Tom Horsley
So all sorts of apps I run from the command line spew this message: Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/50-user.conf", line 9: reading configurations from ~/.fonts.conf is deprecated. If it is gonna spew to the terminal anyway, wouldn't it have been nice if the message said something about wh

Re: Switch to KDE on Fedora 18

2013-01-19 Thread David
On 1/19/2013 6:40 PM, Michael Eager wrote: > On 01/19/2013 01:00 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: >> On 01/19/2013 12:44 PM, Michael Eager wrote: >>> I just installed F18 from the live CD. I'm trying to install and >>> switch to KDE. >>> >>> If I enter "switchdesk kde", I get a message saying to run "yum >>>

Re: lvm or btrfs? which is preferable (when, if applicable)

2013-01-19 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 20.01.2013 02:00, schrieb Ranjan Maitra: > Thanks again for your quick response. > > OK, so you are suggesting I move to lvm, or leave things as is, to ext4? > The new installer does not give me an option to format ext4 (but I can > keep it as is, I guess). > > How does one convert from ext

Re: lvm or btrfs? which is preferable (when, if applicable)

2013-01-19 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 01:50:34 +0100 Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 20.01.2013 01:45, schrieb Ranjan Maitra: > > F18 appears to give two options for installing from scratch: lvm or > > btrfs. Which one is better from the point of view of the longer-term. > > > > My current HDDs are ext4s. I switc

Re: Switch to KDE on Fedora 18

2013-01-19 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 20.01.2013 01:54, schrieb Joe Zeff: > On 01/19/2013 04:46 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> look below what happens with install "KDE Software Development" >> here with updates-testing is enabled, but however for whatever >> reason it can not resolve even deps (yes i used yum clean all >> and rm -rf

Re: Installer inadequacies

2013-01-19 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 20.01.2013 01:47, schrieb Paolo Galtieri: > It's not just because of the installer. Since the installer is so bad what > other features have they compromised > on. The F18 feature set includes MATE Desktop, but there is no option to > install this. says who? _ [

Re: Switch to KDE on Fedora 18

2013-01-19 Thread Joe Zeff
On 01/19/2013 04:46 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: look below what happens with install "KDE Software Development" here with updates-testing is enabled, but however for whatever reason it can not resolve even deps (yes i used yum clean all and rm -rf/var/cache/yum/*) As I wrote before, I said that he

Re: lvm or btrfs? which is preferable (when, if applicable)

2013-01-19 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 20.01.2013 01:45, schrieb Ranjan Maitra: > F18 appears to give two options for installing from scratch: lvm or > btrfs. Which one is better from the point of view of the longer-term. > > My current HDDs are ext4s. I switched then because I understood that > this was the future. BTRFS is NOT

Re: Installer inadequacies

2013-01-19 Thread Paolo Galtieri
On 01/19/13 14:57, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 19.01.2013 22:50, schrieb Paolo Galtieri: I think I'll stay on F14 strange logic you stay on F14 because you do not like the F18 installer? WTF - and you did not notice F15,F16,F17 all the time? F14 does even not work on Sandy Bridge machines from

Re: Switch to KDE on Fedora 18

2013-01-19 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 20.01.2013 01:38, schrieb Joe Zeff: > On 01/19/2013 04:29 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> it is a VERY bad idea for someone who simply wants KDE >> >> why should someone install some hundret MB of >> software and dependecies just for fun? > > I don't do kernel development, but I need to have kern

lvm or btrfs? which is preferable (when, if applicable)

2013-01-19 Thread Ranjan Maitra
F18 appears to give two options for installing from scratch: lvm or btrfs. Which one is better from the point of view of the longer-term. My current HDDs are ext4s. I switched then because I understood that this was the future. Ranjan -- Important Notice: This mailbox is ignored: e-mails are se

Re: Switch to KDE on Fedora 18

2013-01-19 Thread Joe Zeff
On 01/19/2013 04:29 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: it is a VERY bad idea for someone who simply wants KDE why should someone install some hundret MB of software and dependecies just for fun? I don't do kernel development, but I need to have kernel-devel and kernel-headers installed. (At least I th

Re: Switch to KDE on Fedora 18

2013-01-19 Thread Joe Zeff
On 01/19/2013 04:18 PM, Michael Eager wrote: I entered the command by copy and paste, exactly as printed. And I searched for KDE, Desktop Environment, KDE Software Environment, and any other combination I could think of. I entered exactly one command: yum grouplist and looked over the outp

Re: Switch to KDE on Fedora 18

2013-01-19 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 20.01.2013 01:04, schrieb Joe Zeff: > although it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to install "KDE > Software Development" as well. it is a VERY bad idea for someone who simply wants KDE why should someone install some hundret MB of software and dependecies just for fun? i am web-developer

Re: gtk3 theme with arrows in scrollbars?

2013-01-19 Thread Gary Kline
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 06:50:48PM -0500, Tom Horsley wrote: > Is it possible to switch to some gtk theme that will > bring back the arrows I could click on in scrollbars? > > Or are arrows now utterly verboten in gtk3? > > It is almost impossible to scroll "just a little bit" > through a long li

Re: Switch to KDE on Fedora 18

2013-01-19 Thread Michael Eager
On 01/19/2013 01:16 PM, Andrei Amuraritei wrote: On , Michael Eager wrote: I just installed F18 from the live CD. I'm trying to install and switch to KDE. If I enter "switchdesk kde", I get a message saying to run "yum groupinstall "KDE (K Desktop Environment)". Yum says that Group KDE does no

Re: Switch to KDE on Fedora 18

2013-01-19 Thread Joe Zeff
On 01/19/2013 04:07 PM, David wrote: I actually have a very simple soultion to your situation. But... Written like a true BOFH! In the words that would be used in the Scary Devil Monastery, you, sir, are a Bastard with a Capital B. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsub

Re: Switch to KDE on Fedora 18

2013-01-19 Thread Michael Eager
On 01/19/2013 04:04 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 01/19/2013 03:40 PM, Michael Eager wrote: On 01/19/2013 01:00 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 01/19/2013 12:44 PM, Michael Eager wrote: I just installed F18 from the live CD. I'm trying to install and switch to KDE. If I enter "switchdesk kde", I get a messa

Re: Switch to KDE on Fedora 18

2013-01-19 Thread Bill Oliver
Well, I don't know about F18 release, but I installed F18 beta and assume that I have the same thing as F18 release since I've been updating. The way I did it was pretty naive, perhaps, but it worked. I did the following: 1) Installed from the gnome CD. 2) Installed apper (which installed a b

Re: Switch to KDE on Fedora 18

2013-01-19 Thread David
On 1/19/2013 6:40 PM, Michael Eager wrote: > On 01/19/2013 01:00 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: >> On 01/19/2013 12:44 PM, Michael Eager wrote: >> >> Your question contains its own answer. As root, use yum to install >> KDE the way the message tells you to. > > My message also contained the response from y

Re: Use existing Partition without formatting when installing F18 ?

2013-01-19 Thread Oncaphillis
On 01/19/2013 10:42 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 12:27:54AM +0100, Oncaphillis wrote: Previous to Fedora 18 I used to share the /boot/ partition /dev/sda1 between two systems (e.g F17 and F16) Now It only seems to be possible to format partitions before you can add it to th

Re: Switch to KDE on Fedora 18

2013-01-19 Thread Joe Zeff
On 01/19/2013 03:40 PM, Michael Eager wrote: On 01/19/2013 01:00 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 01/19/2013 12:44 PM, Michael Eager wrote: I just installed F18 from the live CD. I'm trying to install and switch to KDE. If I enter "switchdesk kde", I get a message saying to run "yum groupinstall "KDE (

[F18] keepassx auto type pastes rubbish

2013-01-19 Thread Frédéric Bron
I use keepassx to store my passwords. I have set Ctrl+Shift+K to open the auto-type window where I can select the password entry that is then auto-typed in the fields (using firefox 18.0-1.fc18). F18 comes with keepassx version: keepassx.x86_64 0.4.3-6.fc18 @fedora. It pastes only rubbish when usin

Re: Switch to KDE on Fedora 18

2013-01-19 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 20.01.2013 00:40, schrieb Michael Eager: > On 01/19/2013 01:00 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: >> On 01/19/2013 12:44 PM, Michael Eager wrote: >>> I just installed F18 from the live CD. I'm trying >>> to install and switch to KDE. >>> >>> If I enter "switchdesk kde", I get a message saying to >>> run "yu

gtk3 theme with arrows in scrollbars?

2013-01-19 Thread Tom Horsley
Is it possible to switch to some gtk theme that will bring back the arrows I could click on in scrollbars? Or are arrows now utterly verboten in gtk3? It is almost impossible to scroll "just a little bit" through a long list by dragging the thumb. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.

Re: Switch to KDE on Fedora 18

2013-01-19 Thread Michael Eager
On 01/19/2013 01:00 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 01/19/2013 12:44 PM, Michael Eager wrote: I just installed F18 from the live CD. I'm trying to install and switch to KDE. If I enter "switchdesk kde", I get a message saying to run "yum groupinstall "KDE (K Desktop Environment)". Yum says that Group K

Re: KMail trash folder?

2013-01-19 Thread JPAM69
I just found in another post a trick, which worked for me: just create the 'trash' folder, quit the kontact application, start it again. kmail will automatically recognize the 'trash' directory, will assign the trash icon to it and all removed messages will be moved from now on to this directory.

Re: Installer inadequacies

2013-01-19 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 19.01.2013 23:11, schrieb James Freer: > On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> so the question remains why you stay on a from SECURITY >> POINT OF VIEW unacceptable F14 instead install CentOS 6.3 >> which get security updates because what you are saying is >> in short "fedo

Re: Installer inadequacies

2013-01-19 Thread James Freer
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 19.01.2013 22:50, schrieb Paolo Galtieri: >> I think I'll stay on F14 > > strange logic > > you stay on F14 because you do not like the F18 installer? > WTF - and you did not notice F15,F16,F17 all the time? > > F14 does even not work

Re: Installer inadequacies

2013-01-19 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 19.01.2013 22:50, schrieb Paolo Galtieri: > I think I'll stay on F14 strange logic you stay on F14 because you do not like the F18 installer? WTF - and you did not notice F15,F16,F17 all the time? F14 does even not work on Sandy Bridge machines from 2011 because the network card is not supp

Re: Installer inadequacies

2013-01-19 Thread Paolo Galtieri
On 01/19/13 11:30, David A. De Graaf wrote: On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 05:13:44PM -0500, David A. De Graaf wrote: On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 01:26:36PM -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: David A. De Graaf wrote: Fedora 18. What a disaster! What were they thinking when they threw away a perfectly good ins

Re: Use existing Partition without formatting when installing F18 ?

2013-01-19 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 12:27:54AM +0100, Oncaphillis wrote: > Previous to Fedora 18 I used to share the /boot/ partition /dev/sda1 > between two systems (e.g F17 and F16) Now It only seems to be possible > to format partitions before you can add it to the installation. > > Any trick around this ?

Re: Do people still install from CDs ?

2013-01-19 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Sat, 2013-01-19 at 14:57 +, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Fernando Cassia wrote: > > > How to create and use a LiveUSB > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB?rd=FedoraLiveCD/USBHowTo > > > I tried installing Fedora-18 KDE Live on a USB stick with liveusb-creator, >

Re: Switch to KDE on Fedora 18

2013-01-19 Thread Andrei Amuraritei
On , Michael Eager wrote: I just installed F18 from the live CD. I'm trying to install and switch to KDE. If I enter "switchdesk kde", I get a message saying to run "yum groupinstall "KDE (K Desktop Environment)". Yum says that Group KDE does not exist. Other than re-installing from the F18-Li

Re: Switch to KDE on Fedora 18

2013-01-19 Thread Joe Zeff
On 01/19/2013 12:44 PM, Michael Eager wrote: I just installed F18 from the live CD. I'm trying to install and switch to KDE. If I enter "switchdesk kde", I get a message saying to run "yum groupinstall "KDE (K Desktop Environment)". Yum says that Group KDE does not exist. Other than re-install

Switch to KDE on Fedora 18

2013-01-19 Thread Michael Eager
I just installed F18 from the live CD. I'm trying to install and switch to KDE. If I enter "switchdesk kde", I get a message saying to run "yum groupinstall "KDE (K Desktop Environment)". Yum says that Group KDE does not exist. Other than re-installing from the F18-Live-KDE CD, how can I switch

F18: configure amanda-client for IPv4

2013-01-19 Thread Craig Goodyear
Since amanda has dropped using xinet with the release of Fedora 18, how does one configure the amanda client to use IPv4 ? Craig -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: h

Re: Installer inadequacies

2013-01-19 Thread David A. De Graaf
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 05:13:44PM -0500, David A. De Graaf wrote: > On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 01:26:36PM -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: > > David A. De Graaf wrote: > > >Fedora 18. > > > > > >What a disaster! What were they thinking when they threw away a > > >perfectly good installer and inflicted th

Cinnamon desktop icons

2013-01-19 Thread Steven Stern
I'm trying out Cinnamon on f18. Under Cinnamon settings, I've checked all the options for "icon visible on desktop", but none appear. What's the trick? -- -- Steve -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.or

Re: Grub2 installation after upgrading to F18

2013-01-19 Thread Jorge Martínez López
Hi! 2013/1/19 Matthew Saltzman > I have two machines with atypical disk layouts that I am upgrading to > F18. (So far, I've upgraded three using fedup network with no > significant issues other than this question.) > > 1. I have a machine with two drives and software RAID 1. Do I need >

Re: Installer inadequacies

2013-01-19 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Sat, 19 Jan 2013 12:17:28 -0500 Carroll Grigsby wrote: > On Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:28:19 +0100 > Christopher Svanefalk wrote: > > > > > Great big snip > > > > Oh for crying out loud, would you people STOP reinforcing my hunch to > > put off moving to F18 for another month? > > > Then, whatever

Re: Installer inadequacies

2013-01-19 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:28:19 +0100 Christopher Svanefalk wrote: > > > Great big snip > > Oh for crying out loud, would you people STOP reinforcing my hunch to > put off moving to F18 for another month? > Then, whatever else you may do, don't read this: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/fedora-1

Re: Installer inadequacies

2013-01-19 Thread Christopher Svanefalk
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 1:20 AM, Ondrej Majerech wrote: > On 18 January 2013 23:40, Roger wrote: > >> On 01/19/2013 09:13 AM, David A. De Graaf wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 01:26:36PM -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: >>> David A. De Graaf wrote: > Fedora 18. > > What a d

Re: Use existing Partition without formatting when installing F18?

2013-01-19 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Sat, 19 Jan 2013 15:05:36 + Timothy Murphy wrote: > Joachim Backes wrote: > > > I have to agree Oncaphillis, it's really difficult to find out and > > select the right way to install F18 without overwriting the > > information of some partitions and the disk partitioning scheme of > > tar

Re: Do people still install from CDs ?

2013-01-19 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 19.01.2013 15:57, schrieb Timothy Murphy: > Fernando Cassia wrote: > >> How to create and use a LiveUSB >> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB?rd=FedoraLiveCD/USBHowTo > > > I tried installing Fedora-18 KDE Live on a USB stick with liveusb-creator, > which this w

Re: Use existing Partition without formatting when installing F18?

2013-01-19 Thread Timothy Murphy
Joachim Backes wrote: > I have to agree Oncaphillis, it's really difficult to find out and > select the right way to install F18 without overwriting the > information of some partitions and the disk partitioning scheme of > target disk(s). Is the Custom Install option, where you specify the parti

Re: Do people still install from CDs ?

2013-01-19 Thread Timothy Murphy
Fernando Cassia wrote: > How to create and use a LiveUSB > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB?rd=FedoraLiveCD/USBHowTo I tried installing Fedora-18 KDE Live on a USB stick with liveusb-creator, which this wiki recommends, but on re-booting I got the message "Missing

Re: Install FC18 on laptop? Wifi woes

2013-01-19 Thread Ed Greshko
On 01/19/2013 10:42 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Bill Davidsen wrote: > >> I'm trying to update a laptop to FC18, but that does not seem to be an >> option, because the Broadcom WiFi is still not supported. > I'd be interested to know if Fedora-18 KDE Live > ever makes a WiFi connection, > as it do

Re: Install FC18 on laptop? Wifi woes

2013-01-19 Thread Timothy Murphy
Bill Davidsen wrote: > I'm trying to update a laptop to FC18, but that does not seem to be an > option, because the Broadcom WiFi is still not supported. I'd be interested to know if Fedora-18 KDE Live ever makes a WiFi connection, as it doesn't do so on my Thinkpad T60 with Intel PRO/Wireless 3

Re: desktop choice on Fedora 17 (was Re: A Look at Fedora 18)

2013-01-19 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 18 January 2013, David sent: > I don't recall Mate being available for Fedora 18 as I described. I do > know that with a little skill and abilities it could be added to > Fedora 17. Perhaps you should update Fedora 18? May try that, it wasn't properly available when I start

Re: desktop choice on Fedora 17 (was Re: A Look at Fedora 18)

2013-01-19 Thread Mika Suomalainen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 18.01.2013 23:02, Tim wrote: > > Allegedly, on or about 18 January 2013, David sent: >>> You will not be offered a choice of desktops unless you have >>> more than one installed. From the way you describe what you >>> have done you do not have th

Re: Do people still install from CDs ?

2013-01-19 Thread Mika Suomalainen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 18.01.2013 19:14, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Do most people install Fedora from CDs? This seem to be the default > in all the Fedora-18 documentation I have seen. I would have > thought installation from USB stick was more popular now. I have a > cou

System Hang on Update...

2013-01-19 Thread Ed Greshko
Not sure if this is was a quirk or if others will encounter a problem. This is an F18-64 system and today I just did a "yum update". The following packages were being updated Jan 19 17:20:00 Updated: perl-Git-1.8.1-1.fc18.noarch Jan 19 17:20:03 Updated: git-1.8.1-1.fc18.x86_64 Jan 19 17:20

Re: texlive in F18: \usepackage{pslatex} -> kpathsea: Running mktexmf ptmr7t - I can't find file `ptmr7t'

2013-01-19 Thread Frédéric Bron
> FWIW, I got around the error you reported by doing the following > over-kill. > > yum install texlive*font* Thanks. In fact it comes with texlive-times. In my real document, I also needed: texlive-vmargin texlive-fancyhdr texlive-marvosym texlive-helvetic texlive-pst-tools texlive-symbol

Re: texlive in F18: \usepackage{pslatex} -> kpathsea: Running mktexmf ptmr7t - I can't find file `ptmr7t'

2013-01-19 Thread Ed Greshko
On 01/19/2013 04:43 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > Do you have texlive-texmf-fonts installed? FWIW, I got around the error you reported by doing the following over-kill. yum install texlive*font* -- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-p

Re: texlive in F18: \usepackage{pslatex} -> kpathsea: Running mktexmf ptmr7t - I can't find file `ptmr7t'

2013-01-19 Thread Ed Greshko
On 01/19/2013 04:05 PM, Frédéric Bron wrote: > pslatex seems to come corrupted in F18. This simple document does not compile: > > \documentclass{article} > %\usepackage[T1]{fontenc} > \usepackage{pslatex} > \begin{document} > abcde > \end{document} > > kpathsea: Running mktexmf ptmr7t > ! I can't f

texlive in F18: \usepackage{pslatex} -> kpathsea: Running mktexmf ptmr7t - I can't find file `ptmr7t'

2013-01-19 Thread Frédéric Bron
pslatex seems to come corrupted in F18. This simple document does not compile: \documentclass{article} %\usepackage[T1]{fontenc} \usepackage{pslatex} \begin{document} abcde \end{document} kpathsea: Running mktexmf ptmr7t ! I can't find file `ptmr7t'. <*> ...:=ljfour; mag:=1; nonstopmode; input pt