my last thread about journald

2014-10-07 Thread Balint Szigeti
http://blog.gerhards.net/2011/11/what-i-dont-like-about-journald.html - the true how systemd owner handles the cases http://blog.gerhards.net/2011/11/journald-log-hash-chaining-is-broken.html - What Lennart said is bullshit. If someone break in your system and can edit your syslogs it means the

Re: case study - journalctl - where is logger output

2014-09-17 Thread Balint Szigeti
On Tue, 2014-09-16 at 17:46 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: On Sep 16, 2014, at 9:11 AM, Balint Szigeti balint.s...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2014-09-16 at 09:52 -0400, Tom H wrote: On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Balint Szigeti balint.s...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 2014-09-11 at 16:16

Re: case study - journalctl - where is logger output

2014-09-16 Thread Balint Szigeti
On Tue, 2014-09-16 at 09:52 -0400, Tom H wrote: On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Balint Szigeti balint.s...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 2014-09-11 at 16:16 -0400, Tom H wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Balint Szigeti balint.s...@gmail.com wrote: today I installed the rsyslog

Re: is it the future?

2014-09-14 Thread Balint Szigeti
On Sun, 2014-09-14 at 14:22 +0300, Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: 2014-09-14 14:01 GMT+03:00 Timothy Murphy gayle...@alice.it: Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: It is not slow if you have little journal content, as you would in cases where you prefer plain-text logs and set journald to not keep a

Re: is it the future?

2014-09-14 Thread Balint Szigeti
On Sun, 2014-09-14 at 16:22 +0300, Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: 2014-09-14 15:22 GMT+03:00 Timothy Murphy gayle...@alice.it: As a matter of interest, I changed Storage to volatile and re-booted my laptop, but this did not seem to have any effect - journalctl still gives over 500,000 lines (I

Re: is it the future?

2014-09-14 Thread Balint Szigeti
On Sun, 2014-09-14 at 16:52 +0300, Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: 2014-09-14 16:36 GMT+03:00 Balint Szigeti balint.s...@gmail.com: On Sun, 2014-09-14 at 16:22 +0300, Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: 2014-09-14 15:22 GMT+03:00 Timothy Murphy gayle...@alice.it: I have already done it that you wrote

Re: is it the future?

2014-09-14 Thread Balint Szigeti
On Sun, 2014-09-14 at 17:23 +0300, Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: 2014-09-14 17:06 GMT+03:00 Balint Szigeti balint.s...@gmail.com: WTF?*** sorry about inappropriate language. I've just upset a little bit. Why does a deamon have a config file if it doesn't read it? journalctl is the reader command

Re: case study - journalctl - where is logger output

2014-09-13 Thread Balint Szigeti
On Thu, 2014-09-11 at 16:16 -0400, Tom H wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Balint Szigeti balint.s...@gmail.com wrote: today I installed the rsyslog and enable it then disabled (then masked) systemd-journal-flush, systemd-journald services. Plus I disabled systemd-journald.socket

Re: case study - journalctl - where is logger output

2014-09-12 Thread Balint Szigeti
On Thu, 2014-09-11 at 16:16 -0400, Tom H wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Balint Szigeti balint.s...@gmail.com wrote: today I installed the rsyslog and enable it then disabled (then masked) systemd-journal-flush, systemd-journald services. Plus I disabled systemd-journald.socket

case study - journalctl - where is logger output

2014-09-11 Thread Balint Szigeti
hello today I installed the rsyslog and enable it then disabled (then masked) systemd-journal-flush, systemd-journald services. Plus I disabled systemd-journald.socket as well. It broke my system. After I closed the sudo session I could gain root access plus I couldn't start any program only

Re: case study - journalctl - where is logger output

2014-09-11 Thread Balint Szigeti
okay, I figured it out. If the journalctl doesn't run neither rsyslog nor journalctl (last one is obvious) don't get anything. after I started the journalctl the logger output appeared in journalclt and tail /var/log/messages output. Balint On Thu, 2014-09-11 at 19:04 +0100, Balint Szigeti

is it the future?

2014-09-09 Thread Balint Szigeti
hello all I've just read this artic. http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html What do you think guyes? Does systemd really want to be the 'core-engine' for an OS? It sound ridiculous for me. As I remember their target was (only) replace the init, then they did

Re: is it the future?

2014-09-09 Thread Balint Szigeti
On Tue, 2014-09-09 at 08:12 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 08:55:02 +0100 Balint Szigeti wrote: What do you think guyes? I think these guys have a better plan: http://boycottsystemd.org/ Thank you, that is a good site. I hope head of Fedora project read it as well

Re: is it the future?

2014-09-09 Thread Balint Szigeti
Calls For Boycotting SystemD. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Balint Szigeti balint.s...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2014-09-09 at 08:12 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 08:55:02 +0100 Balint Szigeti wrote: What do you

request for DNF package

2014-09-03 Thread Balint Szigeti
hello I don't know where I should send this email but I'd like to ask the DNF developer to the DNF application examine the proxy settings and if the user run the DNF command with debug option list the all steps instead of yum. I just had a case when I couldn't install RPMs by yum. I traced the

Re: simple DVD read error - ALL DVD

2014-08-04 Thread Balint Szigeti
On Wed, 2014-07-30 at 02:19 +0930, Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 28 July 2014, Balint Szigeti sent: I have two DVDs which contains AVI files. I can't read it in my fedora box but it works in gentoo and windows. I used the DVD drive and the DVDs before so I don't think it is a HW

simple DVD read error - ALL DVD

2014-07-28 Thread Balint Szigeti
hello I have two DVDs which contains AVI files. I can't read it in my fedora box but it works in gentoo and windows. I used the DVD drive and the DVDs before so I don't think it is a HW problem. I got this in dmesg: [ 7892.555826] sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] Unhandled sense code [ 7892.555834] sr

systemd config files???

2014-07-22 Thread Balint Szigeti
Why doesn't system respect FSH? What is its benefit? Cite man 7 hier .. /usr/lib Object libraries, including dynamic libraries, plus some executables which usually are not invoked directly. More complicated pro‐ grams may have whole subdirectories there.

Re: systemd config files???

2014-07-22 Thread Balint Szigeti
A package, which does not provide a means to override configuration files from below /etc, or requires users to modify files below /usr is broken by design. pls don't start it. I could find anything else. The only reason I've found systemd because I worked with it nowadays. -- users

Re: Is this proof that systemd is completely broken?

2014-07-13 Thread Balint Szigeti
On Sat, 2014-07-12 at 11:36 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:00:45 -0400 Sam Varshavchik wrote: Now, here's my hack, which is basically a clone of that NetworkManager subpackage: You're willing to invest a lot more time in systemd than I am :-). I just put a batch of

Re: Is this proof that systemd is completely broken?

2014-07-13 Thread Balint Szigeti
as I know, systemd will start the *.service first! and then the sysvinit scripts. I think that can cause the problem. Maybe if you create a foo.service which point to your sysvinit script and set the right order in dependency list. maybe, I'm just guessing. On Sun, 2014-07-13 at 10:57

Re: removing plymouth

2014-07-11 Thread Balint Szigeti
On Fri, 2014-07-11 at 13:41 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/11/14 13:11, Balint Szigeti wrote: Can somebody tell me what would happen if I remove Plymouth packages? I know it handles the boot screen and the user interaction during boot. Does it mean, if I remove this package I can't

Re: removing plymouth

2014-07-11 Thread Balint Szigeti
On Fri, 2014-07-11 at 06:49 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Ed Greshko writes: On 07/11/14 13:11, Balint Szigeti wrote: Can somebody tell me what would happen if I remove Plymouth packages? I know it handles the boot screen and the user interaction during boot. Does it mean, if I

Re: Cinnamon / tint2

2014-07-11 Thread Balint Szigeti
On Tue, 2014-07-08 at 15:58 +0200, Pal, Laszlo wrote: Hi, In one of the previous update some clever guy made tint2 as dependency of Cinnamon... I don't know why, but it seems making my favourite environment much more unstable than earlier. At least handling the systray is a complete

Re: removing plymouth

2014-07-11 Thread Balint Szigeti
On Fri, 2014-07-11 at 14:10 +0200, Anders Wegge Keller wrote: Balint Szigeti balint.s...@gmail.com writes: On Fri, 2014-07-11 at 06:49 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Ed Greshko writes: ... Some kind of a hardware-dependent race condition in plymouth. Could you give me more

Re: *ERROR* PCH transcoder A FIFO underrun

2014-07-11 Thread Balint Szigeti
I didn't have chance to try but I think the latest kernel fixes it: $ rpm -q --changelog kernel-3.15.4-200.fc20|more * Mon Jul 07 2014 Justin M. Forbes jfor...@fedoraproject.org 3.15.4-200 - Linux v3.15.4 - Fixes CVE-2014-4715 (rhbz 1115767 1116362) - Fixes CVE-2014-4699 (rhbz 1115927

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-10 Thread Balint Szigeti
On Wed, 2014-07-09 at 13:35 +0200, lee wrote: David Benfell benf...@parts-unknown.org writes: I guess the two questions I'm reaching for are: 1) Is systemd conceptually broken, just a really bad idea from the start? Some people say yes, and some of them argue well. So far, I've seen

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-10 Thread Balint Szigeti
On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 14:09 +0300, Veli-Pekka Kestilä wrote: On 10.7.2014 13:30, Balint Szigeti wrote: On Wed, 2014-07-09 at 13:35 +0200, lee wrote: David Benfell benf...@parts-unknown.org writes: I guess the two questions I'm reaching for are: 1) Is systemd

removing plymouth

2014-07-10 Thread Balint Szigeti
hello Can somebody tell me what would happen if I remove Plymouth packages? I know it handles the boot screen and the user interaction during boot. Does it mean, if I remove this package I can't examine what happened during the boot or I can not boot? Balint -- users mailing list

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-05 Thread Balint Szigeti
On Sat, 2014-07-05 at 20:15 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Sat, 5 Jul 2014 22:10:40 -0400 Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 5 Jul 2014 19:56:09 -0600 Kevin Fenzi wrote: With systemd/journald, ALL output is saved and easy to query. With journald all output is saved

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-05 Thread Balint Szigeti
On Sun, 2014-07-06 at 06:49 +0200, poma wrote: From: Tom H https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/07/msg00172.html Why are you trolling both the Debian and Fedora lists with this nonsense simultaneously? ... Ref. [debian-user] why do we use systemd?