Re: F22: rebooting to emergency mode

2015-07-01 Thread Chris Murphy
probably change /etc/dnf/dnf.conf such that installonly_limit is set to something like 10, just to make sure dnf doesn't start deleting kernels. You can clean this up later, which is a bit tedious, but that's another matter. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.or

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 5:59 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > Actually, another option is to put the legacy OS into a VM where it > can then inherit some of the features of Linux, including LVM support. > Then you can LVM this external drive instead of partitioning it, and > then make an L

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
Actually, another option is to put the legacy OS into a VM where it can then inherit some of the features of Linux, including LVM support. Then you can LVM this external drive instead of partitioning it, and then make an LV (or two or three or whatever) to use as backing for the VM, and then those

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
said :) :) > Full circle. Now you know that you will just have to keep on doing what you've been doing: use the one time boot menu, or change the BIOS boot order. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 5:38 PM, jd1008 wrote: > > > On 06/30/2015 05:33 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Gordon Messmer >> wrote: >> >>> So you could dd 512 bytes of /dev/zero to the drive, or use "wipefs -a >>

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
you don't do that. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
es gdisk. wipefs -a after parted or gdisk will cause both PMBR and GPT primary and backup headers to be invalidated. So to wipe or invalidate the PMBR has to be done with dd. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
o not understand GPT partition structures." Also as a matter if trivia, the UEFI spec defines the boot code region of the PMBR as 440 bytes. Table 15. Naturally GRUB's code length differs from the UEFI spec. Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubs

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
validate the MBR's signature. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedor

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 06/30/2015 03:18 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> 2. The most likely explanation for the problem, as someone else >> alluded to, is the USB drive has stale bootloader code on it that >> points to no where a

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
e one time boot order change menu when you want to boot off an external, otherwise leave the first device as the internal drive. Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
T and b) you need to boot > from the drive under BIOS. I don't think either of those apply to you. If you have such a BIOS, the work around is to not partition it either MBR or GPT. If it needs partitioning, use LVM on the whole block device. It has a signature the BIOS won't know ab

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
IOS is also ignoring/skipping the HD when bootloader code in the first 440 bytes is absent but otherwise has a valid signature and partition information. If I partition a new blank VDI with parted, boot hangs indefinitely with no error message. Chris Murphy -- users mailing list us

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
in the form of an EFI CSM. If the first 440 bytes are zeros, it doesn't consider that device bootable, and thus it's skipped. But I don't recall SeaBIOS or vbox's BIOS behavior, even though I've gotten bit by this confusion many times... -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing l

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
ped. However, fdisk will not erase existing code. So this only applies going forward. Same for gdisk. And same for their variants. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
at wipefs is for. It also has a backup facility that makes it easy to reverse mistakes. http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man8/wipefs.8.html -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/lis

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
nd backup header signatures, and the PMBR signature, making all three of them invalid and thus not a partitioned drive. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedor

Re: Strange booting problem

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
or by parted developers. [1] The solution is to do one of two things: change the boot order in BIOS; or zero the first 440 bytes of LBA 0 with this: # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=440 count=1 ##where X is the letter for the USB drive --- Chris Murphy [1] Which I've complained abou

Re: After installing Fedora Workstation ...

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
There is also: dnf group list hidden -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/

Re: Toshiba support in the kernel.

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
t very recent kernel versions. Chris Murphy -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-cond

Re: Toshiba support in the kernel.

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
of which is it saves a ton of compile time, not so much creating a lean kernel (as anything not needed wouldn't be loaded anyway). Correct? -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mail

Re: gnome3 and gdm in f22

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 9:36 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: > If that solves the problem then it's likely related to gdm on Wayland > and you can search for a bug to me too, or file a new one. Actually best to file a new one because these problems all seem to be GPU specific. So include a

Re: gnome3 and gdm in f22

2015-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
and you can search for a bug to me too, or file a new one. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of

Re: rngd read error

2015-06-29 Thread Chris Murphy
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1197419 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedorapr

Re: need grub experts

2015-06-29 Thread Chris Murphy
ora's GRUB. But video stuff is kind hard in that early boot environment. Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.o

Re: install f22 into btrfs subvolume won't boot

2015-06-24 Thread Chris Murphy
bug where for some reason in certain instances root=/dev/ is used instead of root=UUID= and I'm spacing out why this happens. But the usual fix is to get it to boot manually somehow, and then recreate the grub.cfg from scratch with grub2-mkconfig - and invariably that one will have all entries

Re: f22 fedup with btrfs snapshot?

2015-06-24 Thread Chris Murphy
't have those kernels. So you'll want to make sure you have both /etc/yum.conf and /etc/dnf/dnf.conf set to preserve more than 3 kernels to make sure neither one starts deleting kernels you might need. Of course, then the problem is ext4 /boot can become full which is why we really

Re: BTRFS Question

2015-06-24 Thread Chris Murphy
r backup, but there are still cases where btrfs check cannot fix the problem. And it's still mostly advisable to not run btrfs check --repair without first posting the complete results of btrfs check to the btrfs@ list. So if this all sounds overly complicated and daunting th

Re: RFC: Multiboot Guide

2015-06-24 Thread Chris Murphy
ux/isolinux/extlinux configuration files). Sadly, grub2-mkconfig doesn't create menu entries using these commands by default so it's not the most user friendly thing. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://a

Re: secure erase drive errors

2015-06-24 Thread Chris Murphy
the DEK in favor of a new one. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org

Re: secure erase drive errors

2015-06-24 Thread Chris Murphy
o a reserve sector. A write error happens when there are no more reserve sectors. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/c

Re: Crashes of tainted kernels

2015-03-29 Thread Chris Murphy
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 7:39 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 03/16/2015 04:43 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> That should get you more than one line. What's probably happening is >> there's an early "Not Tainted" line which is the one to file as a bug. > > &

Re: Should disks in a raid really prevent booting?

2015-03-29 Thread Chris Murphy
atever was missing previously. Ahh. That sorta sounds like possibly a dracut bug affected the original initramfs you had. So then dracut gets updated, and kernel update causes a new initramfs to be generated with updated dracut, and so the problem seems magically fixed. -- Chris Murphy -- users

Re: Should disks in a raid really prevent booting?

2015-03-29 Thread Chris Murphy
ost-install created raid1 to be picked up and activated automatically at boot. It's only activated, not mounted, and the boot didn't fail. So without more information it's difficult to help. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Microsoft may lock out other OSes with Windows 10

2015-03-27 Thread Chris Murphy
irmware setup access from Windows, and reboot, at which point now the user must learn how to change the boot order using efibootmgr via CLI since there isn't a GUI boot manager. Kinda, ick. But shortly after Windows 10 is released, we'll see Fedora 23 which should have the bug fixed at the

Re: Does KDE do offline software updates?

2015-03-24 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 5:57 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2015-03-24 at 11:40 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 5:14 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan >> wrote: >> > On Mon, 2015-03-23 at 17:50 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: >> &

Re: Does KDE do offline software updates?

2015-03-24 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 5:14 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Mon, 2015-03-23 at 17:50 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: >> OK I'm going to display some total KDE ignorance here, hopefully a KDE >> user can answer this. > > Note that there's a Fedora-KDE list

Re: hdparm problem

2015-03-23 Thread Chris Murphy
apped means using dd or badblocks with the proper blocksize (a multiple of 4096 bytes). -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedorapr

Does KDE do offline software updates?

2015-03-23 Thread Chris Murphy
ering what the equivalent is on KDE, with about that much detail. Thanks, -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/c

Re: SELinux is preventing mkdir from write access on the directory root.

2015-03-21 Thread Chris Murphy
# ls -lZ / root should have label dr-xr-x---. 3 root root system_u:object_r:admin_home_t:s0 4096 Mar 21 11:44 root If it doesn't. restorecon -rv / Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraprojec

Re: Strane UUID problem

2015-03-21 Thread Chris Murphy
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 12:11 PM, jd1008 wrote: > > > On 03/21/2015 11:51 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> OK I think I found the problem. The Fedora kernel doesn't come with >> nilfs2 kernel module. At least, a default Fedora 22 installation >> doesn't i

Re: Strane UUID problem

2015-03-21 Thread Chris Murphy
13dd1d / xfs defaults0 0 UUID=9f5d6b34-7c6f-4e6c-996e-122f5b68e1f8 /boot xfs defaults0 0 UUID=2e2ef4de-13df-41d2-9e2e-593dfd42fb64 /home nilfs2 defaults 0 0 #UUID=0bc7066a-b8f1-4949-b480-3775dd5efec4 /home

Re: Strane UUID problem

2015-03-21 Thread Chris Murphy
OK I think I found the problem. The Fedora kernel doesn't come with nilfs2 kernel module. At least, a default Fedora 22 installation doesn't include it. Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription opti

Re: Strane UUID problem

2015-03-21 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 11:59 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote: > On 20.03.2015, Chris Murphy wrote: > >> If /dev/sda uses MBR, it doesn't really have a UUID, it might have a >> serial number. > > It's MBR, and it didn't have a UUID before. > >> I think

Re: hdparm problem

2015-03-20 Thread Chris Murphy
Not applicable. I advise staying on the rails. On Mar 20, 2015 3:22 PM, "jd1008" wrote: > > > On 03/20/2015 03:19 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > >> sudo hdparm --user-master u --security-set-pass Eins /dev/sdX >> >> sudo time hdparm --user-master u --securit

Re: hdparm problem

2015-03-20 Thread Chris Murphy
sudo hdparm --user-master u --security-set-pass Eins /dev/sdX sudo time hdparm --user-master u --security-erase Eins /dev/sdX OR sudo time hdparm --user-master u --security-erase-enhanced Eins /dev/sdX Just copy and paste it. Two commands are needed. Just two. Not three. Not one. -- users maili

Re: hdparm problem

2015-03-20 Thread Chris Murphy
> http://mackonsti.wordpress.com/2011/11/22/ssd-secure-erase-ata-command And just to quality that source, I use it all the time, so I know it works. Both SSD and HDD. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: ht

Re: hdparm problem

2015-03-20 Thread Chris Murphy
e-ata-command Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org

Re: Strane UUID problem

2015-03-20 Thread Chris Murphy
blkid. It might also be useful to see the output from journalctl -b -l -o short monotonic, from a boot that fails, that also has kernel parameter rd.debug set. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedorapr

Re: mdadm or LVM for software raid?

2015-03-19 Thread Chris Murphy
two drives in the simplest way possible, this is certainly very simple, and it's also dual boot compatible. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Cod

Re: F21: Gnome doesn't work on i686 Dell Laptop

2015-03-18 Thread Chris Murphy
fter the upgrade, reboot normally and see if the problem is solved. > > The /var/log/messages file is very extensive; Fedora 21 Workstation doesn't come with rsyslogd, so there shoudn't be a /var/log/messages. Fedora 21 Server does. -- Chris Murphy -- users m

Re: Crashes of tainted kernels

2015-03-18 Thread Chris Murphy
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 11:18 AM, jd1008 wrote: > > > On 03/17/2015 10:59 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> Taint is always caused by out of tree kernel modules. If you haven't >> installed anything that installs kernel modules, most typically that's >> vide

Re: Crashes of tainted kernels

2015-03-17 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 10:57 PM, Tim wrote: > On Tue, 2015-03-17 at 21:22 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: >> Sounds like a UI bug. > > Agreed. And, it would appear, that becomes a "don't really care about > fixing it" issue, as sound still works, even if the contr

Re: Crashes of tainted kernels

2015-03-17 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 10:42 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 03/17/2015 08:22 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> 2. how to provide useful debugging info - if the user will not test a >> non-tainted kernel I see no possible way for an automated system to >> know where to file the

Re: Crashes of tainted kernels

2015-03-17 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 8:14 PM, Tim wrote: > On Tue, 2015-03-17 at 14:51 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: >> If you know the site already, why not just file the bug directly on >> that bugzilla? Why does it need to be automated? > > As a general response, I'd say that: >

Re: Unexpected bios behavior??? due to connection of an external drive.

2015-03-17 Thread Chris Murphy
n the MBR, which doesn't at all depend on active bit (boot flag), it directly forwards to an LBA. So as long as the firmware can address that LBA, the GRUB stage2/core.img can be essentially anywhere hence fewer limitations. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fe

Re: Unexpected bios behavior??? due to connection of an external drive.

2015-03-17 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 6:28 PM, jd1008 wrote: > > > On 03/17/2015 06:19 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> dd if=/dev/sdX count=1 2>/dev/null | hexdump -C > > # dd if=/dev/sdb bs=440 count=1 2>/dev/null | hexdump -C > 00 00 00 00

Re: Unexpected bios behavior??? due to connection of an external drive.

2015-03-17 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 6:08 PM, jd1008 wrote: > > > On 03/17/2015 05:58 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> The solution is to go to firmware setup and define a different drive >> as primary. Or zero the first 440 bytes of the external drive e.g. dd >> if=/de

Re: Unexpected bios behavior??? due to connection of an external drive.

2015-03-17 Thread Chris Murphy
are setup and define a different drive as primary. Or zero the first 440 bytes of the external drive e.g. dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=440 count=1 -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/

Re: Crashes of tainted kernels

2015-03-17 Thread Chris Murphy
x27;t know. But it seems like it's the wrong list to ask. And as Fedora is community driven, I'd ask if those third parties would pitch in on the work needed that they'd benefit from, if they value these reports being automated. Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fed

Re: Crashes of tainted kernels

2015-03-17 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: > On 03/17/2015 01:26 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> a. It actually has to communicate with a server, so whose hosting this >> "other" bugzilla? > > > I think the point here is that a user could configure ADDITIO

Re: Crashes of tainted kernels

2015-03-17 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 03/17/2015 01:26 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> Why bother with this infrastructure if no one is going to look at the >> reports or do anything about them? > > > Why do you assume that nobody's going to

Re: Crashes of tainted kernels

2015-03-17 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 2:15 PM, jd1008 wrote: > > > On 03/16/2015 02:58 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: >> >> On 03/16/2015 12:37 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >>> >>> >>> Just because the crash doesn't occur in an out of tree module, doesn't >>

Re: Crashes of tainted kernels

2015-03-17 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 2:11 PM, jd1008 wrote: > > > On 03/16/2015 01:37 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 10:44 AM, jd1008 wrote: >> >>> Since none of the crashes occur in the modules >>> inserted via akmods, why is the fed

Re: Crashes of tainted kernels

2015-03-16 Thread Chris Murphy
that is always considered tainted because of the first one. If the first oops (for a boot) is tainted, then there's a letter code that indicates why, but Fedora kernels don't ever do this on their own, but if they did that itself would be a bug. -- Chris Murphy -- users

Re: Crashes of tainted kernels

2015-03-16 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 03/16/2015 12:37 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> >> Just because the crash doesn't occur in an out of tree module, doesn't >> mean that the out of tree module isn't instigating the problem though. >

Re: Crashes of tainted kernels

2015-03-16 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > out of tree kernel affects kernel behavior. tree kernel ^module -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/us

Re: Crashes of tainted kernels

2015-03-16 Thread Chris Murphy
ross-post (explicitly mentioned from the outset it's a crosspost). Just because the crash doesn't occur in an out of tree module, doesn't mean that the out of tree module isn't instigating the problem though. Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsub

Re: Is SMART really that dumb?

2015-03-15 Thread Chris Murphy
Yet power on hours is 1800+. That's funny. If I could lie about my lifetime age on every test, that would be awesome. How old are you? Today, hmm, I'm feeling 6 years old, that work for you? No? OK 19? That's age of majority at least. Oh you don't like that either, OK fine ba

Re: Is SMART really that dumb?

2015-03-15 Thread Chris Murphy
On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Robert Nichols wrote: > On 03/15/2015 10:23 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Robert Nichols >> wrote: >> >>> One thing I noticed in there is: >>> >>>193 Load_Cycle_Count

Re: Is SMART really that dumb?

2015-03-15 Thread Chris Murphy
it was designed for. The less time the heads are flying over platter surface, the better. Even though this attribute value is 001 and the threshold is 000, it's not a pre-fail attribute, just an age attribute. It's probably instigated at least as much by something that's fsyncin

Re: installing fedora on HEWLETT PACKARD pavilion 500

2015-03-15 Thread Chris Murphy
size.. > but I can find inside it if you say me what to look for. > - This is the bug I filed before I realized my problem was hardware related. Under "Additional info" you'll see the lines that are missing from dmesg when the problem happens. https://bugzilla.re

Re: Is SMART really that dumb?

2015-03-14 Thread Chris Murphy
thing is triggered with the backup, try a non-destructive badblocks or dd read of the drive. Any error reported by either of those that's not triggered by the backup is probably safe to just write over. Just make sure to get the block conversion right. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list u

Re: Is SMART really that dumb?

2015-03-14 Thread Chris Murphy
On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 16:42:37 -0600 > Chris Murphy wrote: > >> If there's a definite latent sector error, this shows up with a >> 'smarctl -t long' which will be aborted at the first error found

Re: Is SMART really that dumb?

2015-03-14 Thread Chris Murphy
On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:13:15 -0600 > Chris Murphy wrote: > >> The top post here is a good example of a URE due to media error. >> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1034762.html > > Yep, that the sort of thi

Re: Is SMART really that dumb?

2015-03-14 Thread Chris Murphy
a, like from torn writes or something) or you get some write errors with reallocations on the first pass. And no errors for subsequent passes. If any subsequent passes have errors, especially corruption errors, then get rid of the drive or turn it into a play thing or send it to me :-D -- Chris Murp

Re: Is SMART really that dumb?

2015-03-14 Thread Chris Murphy
verable. Fedora actually has smartd running by default and it'll report some things into the journal; if it's minimally configured it can do smart -t long on a schedule and report more things. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or chan

Re: installing fedora on HEWLETT PACKARD pavilion 500

2015-03-13 Thread Chris Murphy
27;s instigating this? Or if it's just coincidence. I guess the sample size isn't big enough to know. What happens if you boot from install media, and capture both dmesg efiboomgr -v ? In my case, dmesg clearly showed the lack of proper ACPI initialization, no drive was found at all. -- C

Re: Yum update failure -

2015-03-13 Thread Chris Murphy
scratch again but > would prefer not. This looks most likely, unless you can find out what's consuming so much space on /. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/u

Re: sector hard errors

2015-03-12 Thread Chris Murphy
fixed. This is a problem for md, LVM, ZFS and Btrfs raid. So configuration has to be correct. This is a monthly event on linux-raid@ (or even more often sometimes several per week), and a high percent of the time all data on the raid is lost in the ensuing recovery. Backups! -- Chris M

Re: sector hard errors

2015-03-12 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > Anyway, seeing as this happens on an fsck, that means filesystem > metadata is affected and if e2fsck -f doesn't fix it then, the fs is > toast. I honestly would just immediately remount it ro, and back it up > though befor

Re: sector hard errors

2015-03-12 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:37 PM, jd1008 wrote: > > > On 03/12/2015 03:28 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> smarctl -l scterc /dev/sdb > > # smartctl -l scterc /dev/sdb > smartctl 6.2 2014-07-16 r3952 [x86_64-linux-3.18.8-201.fc21.x86_64] (local > build) >

Re: sector hard errors

2015-03-12 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > What do you get for: > smarctl -l scterc /dev/sdb smartctl -l scterc /dev/sdb Helps to not have typos, and this command likes that additional t. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscr

Re: sector hard errors

2015-03-12 Thread Chris Murphy
unctioning normally - so far. But you're right, it's brand new and to have a sector read error on a brand new drive is unexpected. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject

Re: Testing F21 kernel update kernel-3.18.9-200.fc21

2015-03-12 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: > If you go to: > admin.fedoraproject.org/updates > and type in kernel, you'll see kernel-3.18.9-200.fc21 is in "testing" > which translates into > > # su -c 'yum update --enablerepo=updates-testing kerne

Re: Testing F21 kernel update kernel-3.18.9-200.fc21

2015-03-12 Thread Chris Murphy
el-3.18.9-200.fc21 is in "testing" which translates into # su -c 'yum update --enablerepo=updates-testing kernel-3.18.9-200.fc21' If that doesn't work I usually clobber it with 'yum clean all' and then retry. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fe

Re: Raid vs rsync -

2015-03-11 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > Amazon Glacier is fairly inexpensive Google announced Nearline option for Google Cloud Storage, priced similar to Amazon Glacier but with faster retrieval. Storage price is the same, but retrieval is more expensive from the looks of

Re: Raid vs rsync -

2015-03-10 Thread Chris Murphy
or more surviving drives have one or more bad sectors and md can't recover from that automatically. Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: ht

Re: Raid vs rsync -

2015-03-10 Thread Chris Murphy
That's slow. There is a feature idea to get rsync some Btrfs awareness so that this can be optimized, taking advantage of work Btrfs has already done, rather than separately compute additional checksums. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.or

Re: Raid vs rsync -

2015-03-10 Thread Chris Murphy
id0 is mainly for size, of course it totally dies if anyone device dies. But in the meantime, I still get notifications of any corrupt files (by full filename path) should that happen. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change s

Re: Raid vs rsync -

2015-03-10 Thread Chris Murphy
ted or corrupted file) it can be expensive. There are 3rd party calculators for computing this, it's not exactly obvious what things will cost just based on their rather convoluted pricing page. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To un

Re: Raid vs rsync -

2015-03-09 Thread Chris Murphy
d destination are the same independent of drives' ECC. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines:

Re: Assistance building a backup server

2015-03-08 Thread Chris Murphy
an experimental, but raid56 is still a gray area. I can't suggest enough having more than one backup, but that's emphasized more if the primary one is on Btrfs. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://

Re: Assistance building a backup server

2015-03-08 Thread Chris Murphy
meout And don't forget period scrubs: echo check > /sys/block/mdX/md/sync_action cat /sys/block/mdX/mismatch_cnt -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedo

Re: Assistance building a backup server

2015-03-08 Thread Chris Murphy
here any NAS projects that may be beneficial? lwn.net has recent reviews of Rockstor, EasyNAS, OpenMediaVault, FreeNAS (BSD ZFS based). -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraprojec

Re: Fedora 21 server gnome install not starting

2015-03-08 Thread Chris Murphy
It think you need to do: systemctl enable gdm There might be some other services that need to be enabled. This is the enabled list for a recent installation of Fedora 21 Workstation: http://ur1.ca/jvh4d Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change

Re: Problem installing Fedora 22 Alpha RC3

2015-03-07 Thread Chris Murphy
But still you really should have poked the thing right in front of you, the Troubleshooting menu, with a stick, before poking people on a mailing list. It's really that basic. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: ht

Re: GNOME Boxes resizing the disk

2015-03-07 Thread Chris Murphy
uestions and a how to, and to actually do that effectively I'd probably need to run through it myself and I don't have the hardware to do that at the moment. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://adm

Re: GNOME Boxes resizing the disk

2015-03-07 Thread Chris Murphy
from some other image, but it'll take one early reboot after changing the last partition size, or adding another partition, to capture the extra space from qemu-img resize. Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://adm

Re: Problem installing Fedora 22 Alpha RC3

2015-03-06 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 9:35 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > There is an absolute minimum of 5 clicks to do a Fedora installation, Correction, 7. Root password & Quit/Reboot. -- Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options

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