> On 7/22/22 13:34, James Szinger wrote:
>> I first encountered UNIX after years of using VMS, IBM mainframes, and
>> a plethora of personal computers. They ALL had editors better than
>> vi. Who writes an editor where the arrow keys donât work!
>
> To be fair, when vi was written, there were
> Hi All,
>
> Is there a way to get one of those fancy tool
> in nmap to tell me the "level" (version)
> of SSL and/or TLS that a web site is using?
The script for ssl in nmap does not deal with ssl v3.
Try this instead:
https://github.com/drwetter/testssl.sh.git
This gives you all sorts of i
> All;
>
>
> Does anyone know if Fedora 35 works well with the Intel Iris XE Graphics?
I have an HP Spectre x360 14 with Tiger Lake and Xe graphics. It works
fine with Wayland.
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> On 26/04/2021 07:09, Robert McBroom via users wrote:
>> On 4/25/21 5:34 PM, George N. White III wrote:
>>> On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 at 17:04, Robert McBroom via users
>>> mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.org>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> New drive has the same msdos partition structure as the old.
>>> Le
I created a Fedora FAS account a long while back. I cannot find the
account name I used and there seems to be no way to find it. The password
reset assumes you know what account name you used.
Who do I talk to to get this fixed?
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I have a bit more information on the sound problems on my HP Spectre x360
14 Tiger lake laptop.
I have gotten sound to work. There is an initialization bug somewhere.
If I boot into Windows and then reboot (not shutdown) into Fedora, the
sound works. If I shutdown and boot Fedora, the sound does
I have a brand new HP Spectre X360 14 with a Tiger Lake processor. I have
Fedora 33 installed on it as a dual boot. Sound works fine under Windows,
but not under Fedora.
Anyone know the status of this? I have seen some information that claims
that it will be supported in kernel 5.10.0, but the re
On Wed, 2020-04-29 at 20:03 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 2020-04-29 05:06, Alan wrote:
> > Seems the GDM option to switch desktops has been removed on Fedora
> > 32.
> > switchdesk no longer works either.
> >
> > How do you switch desktops on Fedora 32? It ha
Seems the GDM option to switch desktops has been removed on Fedora 32.
switchdesk no longer works either.
How do you switch desktops on Fedora 32? It has become non-obvious.
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System upgrade from Fedora 30 to Fedora 31-beta gives these errors
(with --skip-broken)
Problem 1: conflicting requests
- nothing provides module(platform:f30) needed by module
eclipse:2019-06:3020190807134759:6ebe2c0f-0.x86_64
Problem 2: module jmc:latest:3120190813124555:7188e41a-0.x86_64
r
> CONFIG_NR_CPUS=1024 for Fedora kernels since a while, I'm not sure how
> long.
If you look in /boot you can find the config file used for each kernel.
The issue may be
CONFIG_NR_CPUS_DEFAULT=64
The larger Intel servers exceed that number by quite a bit.
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> On 7/10/19 2:07 PM, a...@clueserver.org wrote:
perl -pe 's/^\s+//g' *.py
>>> Am I supposed to run this command?
>>
>> That is a sig line joke. It removes leading white space from Python
>> programs. Don't run that.
>
> That is a very dangerous joke with no indication that it is your sig.
>> I have seen this happen before. If you have nvidia-settings installed,
>> but
>> do not have the commercial nvidia driver running, nvidia-settings makes
>> a
>> whole bunch of duplicate connections to the xserver. Once it is full,
>> you
>> cannot open new windows. (Things get very strange.)
>
>>
>> On 6/17/19 1:03 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
>> >> From: "Samuel Sieb"
>> >> Where are you entering this? From a console or ssh?
>> > Yes
>>
>> That wasn't intended to be a yes or no question. I assume from the
>> answer below that it's a terminal console.
>>
>> >> Try using "kill -HUP" on t
18]: EPSON-ET-4500-Series alan 17
[03/Jul/2019:12:39:29 -0700] 1 1 - localhost notes - -
Jul 3 12:39:33 phantom cupsd[1218]: EPSON-ET-4500-Series alan 17
[03/Jul/2019:12:39:33 -0700] total 0 - localhost notes - -
Jul 3 12:39:33 phantom cupsd[1218]: Print job canceled at printer.
However, Libre
> On 6/28/19 6:10 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>> I am hoping it is a config problem. If not I have an rtl card that is
>> in an x120e 'hanger queen' that I can use instead.
>
> Well, if the rtl card connects fine and the broadcom with the same
> configuration doesn't
> then it is unlik
On Wed, 2019-05-15 at 17:54 -0600, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 05/15/2019 05:03 PM, Alan wrote:
> > I have not filed a bug on this because it is from rpmfusion-nonfree
> > repository, but the cause will be unclear to most users.
>
> Rpmfusion has its own bugzilla at https://bugzil
On Wed, 2019-05-15 at 17:54 -0600, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 05/15/2019 05:03 PM, Alan wrote:
> > I have not filed a bug on this because it is from rpmfusion-nonfree
> > repository, but the cause will be unclear to most users.
>
> Rpmfusion has its own bugzilla at https://bugzil
I have not filed a bug on this because it is from rpmfusion-nonfree
repository, but the cause will be unclear to most users.
What happens is if you have the nvidia-settings app installed, after a
while the X server will no longer open any windows.
xlsclients will show a bunch of nvidia-settings c
Make sure you turn off any Gnome extensions that you have downloaded
from gnome.org. There is an issue where some gnome extensions that are
loaded from the user account will cause gnome-shell to crash. What you
will see is you try to log in and after a few seconds it returns back
to the login scree
> Allegedly, on or about 7 December 2018, a...@clueserver.org sent:
>> Every once in a while the system stops accepting my password.
>> Rebooting does not help.
>
> Is it a regular interval? There are "expire password" options in the
> user configuration, perhaps yours has been set.
>
> I see tha
> On 12/7/18 9:56 AM, a...@clueserver.org wrote:
>> When I try using akmodbuild for any module, it claims that it cannot
>> find
>> "/app/bin/kmodtool".
>
> Have you tried running just "akmods"?
Yes. I actually used "akmods --force". I misremembered which command I
used. It does this for any modu
> On 12/07/2018 11:01 AM, a...@clueserver.org wrote:
>> I can mount the drive with a live F29 distro and chroot the root drive.
>> I
>> have a backup of the /etc/shadow file and there are no changes to the
>> user. "changing" the password fixes the problem.
>
> I don't know why this happens, but I
This one is a bit of a mystery...
I have a newish install of Fedora 29. I am using two SSD drives on a
Lenovo W540 laptop with UEFI boot.
Every once in a while the system stops accepting my password. Rebooting
does not help.
I can mount the drive with a live F29 distro and chroot the root drive.
I have a relatively new Fedora 29 install. (I did a reinstall after
getting a couple of new SSDs for my laptop and changing over to a UEFI
boot.)
When I try using akmodbuild for any module, it claims that it cannot find
"/app/bin/kmodtool".
Why does it think I have a Mac?
I have grepped everythi
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 22:45:48 -
> Ron Sigal wrote:
>
>> I'm just bewildered. Does anyone have any suggestions?
>
> Spectre and Meltdown kernel changes are reputed to slow
> things down, but I don't know if it would be that much.
They have removed some of the Spectre and Meltdown patches from
> On Mon, 2018-11-05 at 10:59 -0800, a...@clueserver.org wrote:
>> Fedora also ships or gives you access to a number of packages that are
>> not
>> "ideologically pure". (NVIDIA drivers and the like.) It depends on
>> whether
>> you need those packages.
>
> AFAIK this is not the case. Fedora's of
> Greetings,
>
> I'm a Debian user(from almost 3 years). And I've question Why should I
> choose Fedora over Debian as a my operating system?
Debian tends to distribute older versions of packages, where Fedora ships
"bleeding edge" versions. It depends what your needs are. Do you need a
known qua
I did an upgrade from Fedora 27 to the Fedora 28 beta a while back. (About
a week before final release.) After the update I tried to recompile a
program I use often. The program would compile after a bit of patching,
but it would not start.
Using ldd I was able to determine that the ldconfig data
> On 11/08/2017 12:01 PM, antonio montagnani wrote:
>> tnx for your reply. What do you suggest?? Wait and see??
>
> Yes. You could try occasionally using the --refresh option with dnf to
> make sure it checks for new metadata.
"sudo dnf clean all" also helps.
perl -pe 's/^\s+//g' *.py
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On Fri, 2017-03-24 at 11:43 -0600, Greg Woods wrote:
>
> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Rick Stevens
> wrote:
> > Killing gnome-shell will not necessarily free the
> > machine up and make the GUI work as it is a significant component
> > of
> > the desktop
> >
>
> It won't. If you unceremoni
> I just salvaged the hard drive from an
> abandoned DirectTV box that "smoked."
> Note: With their approval ...
>
> I'm just trying to determine how much
> confidence I can have in it. It was
> interesting to see that it was formatted
> Linux XFS initially. I reworked it with
> gparted and ext4 t
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 10:52:10PM +0200, Ahmad Samir wrote:
>> One last try (sometimes an issue nags):
>> $ find A -exec md5sum '{}' + > a-md5
>> $ find B -exec md5sum '{}' + > b-md5
>> $ cat a-md5 b-md5 > All
>> $ sort -u -k 1,1 All > dupes
>>
>> Now, (I hopefully got my head around it this tim
in the gnome control panel for mouse and TP.
[dnf remove xorg-x11-drv-synaptics] YMMV
Alan
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> I was so happy when the nouveau driver finally worked
> on my nvidia maxwell card in fedora 24, but now after
> about a week, this happened:
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1351286
>
> Total screen freeze :-(.
>
> At least it took as long as a week.
>
> If it happens a lot, I may
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan
wrote:
>
> Note that there is a list for KDE on Fedora, where you might get more
> help with this. See:
>
> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/k...@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 05/23/16 07:07, Alan Evans wrote:
>
> > Or rather, I can rename them, but then I can't access them.
> >
> > If I create a new file on my F23 KDE desktop, I have no trouble
> accessing it. But if I
> >
or folder /home/alan/Desktop/// does not exist." (
is the name the file was before I renamed.)
This is a real bother in the case of folders, because I rename them often.
But then I can't access them. Everything seems to work from within the File
Manager, but fails when dealing with D
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 09:14:40 -0800
> a...@clueserver.org wrote:
>
>> There is a guide to installing the NVidia drivers on Fedora 23. It
>> involves back-reving xorg to 1.17.
>
> I find the safest and easiest way to do this is keep my fedora 22
> partition the default and wait for f23 to get all t
> I see the official announcement of xorg server 1.18:
>
> http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-announce/2015-November/002655.html
>
> Anyone have any clues about when the final release
> will show up in fedora 23, and vastly more important,
> when nvidia binary drivers will show up now that 1.18
> is
> Hi all;
>
> I'm currently running Fedora 22 on a Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Carbon (3rd
> gen). Fedora works well on it, my only complaint is that the screen has
> a built in anti glare filter and seems washed out, I'm not sure if this
> is the anti glare filter or if it's that Linux support for the Vid
google "ssh-keygen". You will find things like:
http://www.linuxproblem.org/art_9.html and similar.
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Dustin Kempter wrote:
> Hi all, Ive been looking into a way to run rsync from server1 to server2
> using ssh-keys
> but not allowing the user from server 1 to logi
>>
>>
>> On 05/26/2015 05:26 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2015-05-26 at 17:50 -0500, Steven Stern wrote:
> YMMV. In my case it was all over in 30 minutes, but I have a
reasonably
> fast
> machine and Internet connection. I wouldn't expect the total
elapsed
>
>
>
> On 05/26/2015 05:26 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> On Tue, 2015-05-26 at 17:50 -0500, Steven Stern wrote:
YMMV. In my case it was all over in 30 minutes, but I have a
>>> reasonably
fast
machine and Internet connection. I wouldn't expect the total
>>> elapsed
time to va
> On Tue, 2015-05-26 at 16:00 -0700, a...@clueserver.org wrote:
>> > I had about 2800 packages to update, cleanup, and verify.
>>
>> There is a big difference doing an upgrade on a system with an SSD vs
>> a
>> SATA hard drive. Having a fast pipe also helps a lot.
>
> Forgot to mention that I have
> On 05/26/2015 05:45 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> On Tue, 2015-05-26 at 16:06 -0500, Steven Stern wrote:
>>> On 05/26/2015 03:36 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote:
On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 01:05:38PM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 05/26/2015 12:27 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> IIRC yum used t
> On 05/13/2015 02:34 PM, jd1008 wrote:
>> I am curious as to why Oracle decided not to build and distribute
>> VB built with latest Fedora release.
>>
>> I sent the question to Oracle. Awaiting their reply.
>>
> The RPMs are there:
> http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/rpm/fedora/21/
That i
>
> On 02/26/2015 04:47 AM, Heinz Diehl wrote:
>> On 26.02.2015, Jim Lewis wrote:
>>
>>> Well there is no way it was on CD, we didn't have those yet.
>> It was on floppy disks. I remember clearly, because I reformatted them
>> some time ago, in need for empty disks to check an external floppy disk
On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 7:03 AM, Garry T. Williams wrote:
> On 7-5-14 14:30:39 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > +1. One of my pet gripes about systemd is that it introduces a lot of
> > new terminology without a clear explanation.
>
> Have you looked at the manual pages? I know of no other project t
On Wed, 2014-05-28 at 23:52 +0200, Henrik Frisk wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> I'm seeing different things about thunderbolt support and Linux.
> Anyone have any experience? Specifically I would like to connect a
> PCIe thunderbolt expansion unit to my MBP running Fedora 20. It is my
> impression it will not
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
> http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/
>>
>
> Nice, but that means you have to do the build yourself. Is this in any
> additional repos for Fedora?
>
>
>
As I understand it, licensing of the fonts prevents distribution that way.
But I did
What is the danger of messing with cpufreq?
Alan
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Sudhir Khanger wrote:
>
> On May 8, 2014 9:27 PM, "Alan E. Davis" wrote:
> >
> > I had a good experience, almost perfect, with Fedora some months ago,
> staring with the Beta
The biggest question for me is this: is it a kernel issue that I am only
seeing two governors, when other OSs see 4?
Alan
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Sudhir Khanger wrote:
>
> On May 8, 2014 9:27 PM, "Alan E. Davis" wrote:
> >
> > I had a good experience, almo
does not function.
Thank you,
Alan Davis
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gt; > On Mon, 2013-09-09 at 14:13 -0700, Alan Evans wrote:
> >> Is there any way to figure out why the current printer is offline,
> >> beyond "Unable to connect"? Not being able to print is really messing
> >> with my workflow.
> >
> > Enable debug
een
no change to the print-spooler's configuration.
As for the firewall, it is disabled on this machine. For fun, I just issued
a "setenforce 0" and tried resuming the printer. No change in status. So it
is something of a mystery to me why I can't even browse for network
print
connect"? Not being able to print is really messing with my
workflow.
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ocess needs to be terminated.
:-)
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st letting my kid play some old
games. Thanks for the help!
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Guid
audio hooks to programs
running on modern systems?
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xdrv"
VirtualBox-4.2-4.2.8_83876_fedora18-1.x86_64 : Oracle VM VirtualBox
Repo: virtualbox
Matched from:
Filename: /etc/rc.d/init.d/vboxdrv
Filename: /usr/share/virtualbox/src/vboxhost/vboxdrv
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Description : A general-purpose full virtualizer and emulator for 32-bit and
: 64-bit x86 based PC-compatible machines.
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ackage
(not available on openSUSE) to ensure that the VirtualBox host kernel
modules (/vboxdrv/,/vboxnetflt/and/vboxnetadp/) are properly updated if
the linux kernel version changes during the next kernel update.
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On 7/26/2013 2:40 AM, Martin Skjöldebrand wrote:
On Friday 26 July 2013 17.47.16 David Beveridge wrote:
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Martin Skjöldebrand
wrote:
I want them the other way round really.
What would be the best way of trying to achieve this?
You can do it with Logical Volume
Alan Gagne https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users>> writes:
>>/ >>/ />/ Jul 19 07:35:26 knucklehead..com kernel: device-mapper:
table:
/>>/ />>/ />/ 253:4: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed
/>>/ />>/ />/
aused it, someone else said removing a
/>>/ package that provides dmraid fixed it for them ...
/>/ Yea, I have been looking at those. I was hoping that between here and
/>/ filing a bug
/>/ I would get the best answer.
/
The dmraid package seems to be installed by default. I'd
mraid fixed it for them ...
Yea, I have been looking at those. I was hoping that between here and
filing a bug
I would get the best answer.
Thanks
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could be relevant?
Since you're using the on-board fakeraid, I'm not sure what you would
see and if you'd see anything at all. Maybe the BIOS tells you or has
an option to test the disks for failures.
These are the only messages that seem relevant from journalctl -xb
Jul 1
he jist of this post. F19 fails to detect something needed
for the array
to work properly. Rewriting the partition table just gets things working
again.
How do you know when any of the physical disks go bad?
Hopefully smart will pick-up id there is a disk problem.
So far it reports no errors fo
already to make sure there was not any
differences.
Is md124 a RAID-1 on top of a RAID-0?
Two separate arrays.
Thanks
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On Jul 18 11:45, Alan Gagne wrote:
>/ Having an odd problem with my raid 1 array after upgrade to F19.
/>/ Upgraded using fedup from 18 to 19. Did not have any problems
/>/ with the upgrade itself but since my raid 1 array is stuck read only after
/>/ each reboot.
/>/
/>
Having an odd problem with my raid 1 array after upgrade to F19.
Upgraded using fedup from 18 to 19. Did not have any problems
with the upgrade itself but since my raid 1 array is stuck read only after
each reboot.
This is a bios intel raid set-up I have been using for a little over
three years.
On Tuesday 18 June 2013 16:18:14 Alan Gagne wrote:
>/ Try to use xinput for both mouse and touchpad.
/>/
/>/xinput list
/>/ # xinput list_props "$device_name_or_number"
/>/ xinput list-props 10
/>/ Turn on three button emulation.
/>/ xinput set-prop 10 &q
middle-button-enabled true
/>/
/>/ Alan
/
Thanks for this Alan, do you know what the KDE equiv of this?
Sorry for the dumb question but I've already googled for things like this.
Also, I've run the Scientific Linux Live DVD and my touchpad works fine. It's
a drastic solution swapp
n this on.
gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.peripherals.mouse
middle-button-enabled true
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Is there somewhere to set these default please
I have looked in .config/geany /nautilus /nemo and .local with no luck.
Try right click on the file you want to open with geany in nautilus.
Go to properties then open with tab. Add your preferred app as the default.
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[agagne@dw-agagne ~]$ gsettings get org.gnome.nautilus.preferences
show-hidden-files
true
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Dear users,
I am on the verge of a rather thorough hardware upgrade, ie.
motherboard/cpu, and in addition want to migrate from XP 32 to Fedora 18
64. So, now it occurs to me that all the drivers from Windoze will be
gone--are there drivers in the Fedora CD package, or will I have to hunt
th
x27;t be changed.
In this case, the fix for opening editor files from Dolphin is an 80%
solution for me, so I'm going to take that and be happy. Thanks again.
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Tim wrote:
> Perhaps redefining the complaint: You want the window to open in the
> same screen as where the mouse currently is.
>
> If so, perhaps there's an option available along those lines.
>
Perhaps. But I'm not really bothered by the existing behavior when KDE is
opening a new window.
Th
y to make
files opened in Dolphin always appear in a new window.
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Have a
Richard Vickery wrote:
> Tim wrote:
>
>> Richard Vickery wrote:
>> > I have no clue what the term "I've been hacked" means.
>>
>> Then you'd have to be about the only one working with computers who
>> cannot comprehend what the person meant when they wrote that: some form
>> of unauthorised alter
Richard Vickery wrote:
> [blah, blah, "hacker" has an unfair negative connotation, blah blah]
> ... we could call them idiots, just as bad as Fox
Do you see what you just did there?
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mouse pointer
in gnome 3 it comes with gnome tweak tool.
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Kernel driver in use: nouveau
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NoGo : yum-presto has been obsoleted.
Don't know what to tell you.
I have two F18 boxes that are both using the presto plugin for yum.
Linux dw-agagne 3.8.5-201.fc18.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 28 21:01:19 UTC
2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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yum-presto will
download the deltarpm
: for foo-1.0 => 1.1 rather than the full foo-1.1 rpm, and
then build the full
: foo-1.1 package from your installed foo-1.0 and the
downloaded deltarpm.
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On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
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> Am 21.03.2013 01:37, schrieb Bill Davidsen:
> > Reindl Harald wrote:
> >> well, and that is why i started with "unpack a existing src.rpm"
> >> and look at the SPEC file which is cleraly doable for packages
> >> which are only a few KB smal
This topic has been discussed several times before. With the recent
update to KDE 4.10.1, Fedora (KDE) seems to be able to do this:
Now, from Dolphin I can browse my phone as an "MTP-device", the internal
memory as well as the SD-card.
Works as well on Gnome Desktop.
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pretty sad when the options become: 1. Accept the
defaults. or 2. Roll your own from scratch.
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x27;t find the right package name.
Try yum grouplist to see the packaged groups.
I think you want to install GNOME Desktop.
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- updating always has a tiny risk.
Updating can albeit very rarely leave a machine in a state that needs a
reinstall again - yes. Always make a backup. Thing like a power outage mid
upgrade can be messy and hard to clean up.
That really goes for any OS major upgrade.
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worked! Notably, it must be "trash" and not "Trash". And I also missed
that I had to exit and restart the application.
I absolutely do not understand why all that was necessary. This belongs in
the UI Hall of Shame.
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t of people who had
enough with the continuous removal of important features did something
about it. It's trying to build a Gnome 3 without the religious mania for
feature removal.
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he function menu is gone (to top left, yes, but not when the focus is
> on the other windows)...
>
> The button "up to the previous folder" (cd ..) is gone...
>
> How to re-enable this useful function/feature, like previous version
> (nautilus 3.4) or Caja do ?
Run
success with Ubuntu than anything
else - it just works, it's got Ubuntu One file back up services and it's
got a community pitched at the "user" level.
From a technical perspective there is plenty not to like about some areas
of Ubuntu, and it lags Fedora on features and the li
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Similar to my experience - when it works its unusuably bad, but its quite
capable of leaving you needing to reinstall an old release from scratch
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You can also upgrade using yum... which right now appears the only tested way
to do it.
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Lots of routers don't broadcast and whoever is installing it may not control
that. It's broken, just as not showing which disk is which is broken. Its a new
installer, crap happens, but pretending its not a bug isn't remotely useful.
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