On 04/09/2010 12:43 AM, Marcel Rieux wrote:
>
> Whether it's a laptop or a desktop, your computer is still a 32 bit.
Strange - my desktop is 64 bit. But I used to have a 8 bit desktop
at one time. So, what is your point?
> It is also irrelevant to my demonstration. Until RHF proves the countrary,
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote:
"Being privately held, Canonical is pretty secretive about the size of its
> business. Shuttleworth said when Silber was appointed last December that the
> company was not yet profitable but heading in the right direction with
> growth in its th
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Sam Sharpe wrote:
> On 9 April 2010 00:47, Marcel Rieux wrote:
> > We know that Canonical is strong in cloud computing. Etc. But...
>
> With all due respect, you pulled that line out of your ass and have no
> data to support that. Name me one article in a respected
On Thursday 08 April 2010 10:43 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote:
> Whether it's a laptop or a desktop, your computer is still a 32 bit. It is
> also irrelevant to my demonstration. Until RHF proves the countrary, I'll
> say nobody in India gets paid as much by RHF as Mathew Szulik :)
>
All this is getting
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 12:10 AM, Marvin Kosmal wrote:
> Can this thread DIE??
Not until Marcel finds something else to rant about. This month it is
FPL. Last month it was apparmor in the kernel and something (I have
forgotten exactly what) about bugs...
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On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 04/09/2010 05:17 AM, Marcel Rieux wrote:
>
> [ You mailed me offlist and then quoted me on a public list. You need
> to stop doing that]
>
> > You are right in observing that the cost of living is not the same in
> > America and India.
Can this thread DIE??
YMMV
Marvin
On 4/8/10, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 04/09/2010 05:17 AM, Marcel Rieux wrote:
>
> [ You mailed me offlist and then quoted me on a public list. You need
> to stop doing that]
>
>>
>> You are right in observing that the cost of living is not the same in
>> Americ
On 04/09/2010 05:17 AM, Marcel Rieux wrote:
[ You mailed me offlist and then quoted me on a public list. You need
to stop doing that]
>
> You are right in observing that the cost of living is not the same in
> America and India. But, if RHF is satisfied with your work, you should
> be able to af
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 19:51 -0500, charles zeitler wrote:
> i recommend we re-name Marcel, Oblio &
> banish him to the Pointless Forest.
I like the sentiment and the Harry Nilssen reference but you forgot the
punchline from the story...
if everyone in the town of Point has a point, then I mu
Do what thou wilt
shall be the whole of the Law.
On 4/8/10, Marcel Rieux wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>
> On 04/08/2010 02:29 AM, Marcel Rieux wrote:
>> > On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> >
>> > On 04/06/2010 02:39 AM, Marcel Rieux
Am Donnerstag, den 08.04.2010, 19:47 -0400 schrieb Marcel Rieux:
> Now, of course, we heard that Fedora 13 will have KDE as its default
> desktop.
April fool's joke?
> What I'm personaly sure of is that if RHF doesn't come more
> transparent, ...
What is RHF? There is Red Hat and there is Fedo
On 9 April 2010 00:47, Marcel Rieux wrote:
> We know that Canonical is strong in cloud computing. Etc. But...
With all due respect, you pulled that line out of your ass and have no
data to support that. Name me one article in a respected journal that
says that Canonical or Ubuntu is strong in clo
; etiquette. Setting that aside,
>
You usual post headers on this list look like this:
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subjectRe:
On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 20:54 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 06:23 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> > Also, IMHO, there is no upside in attempting to engage the OP in
> > intellectual discourse. The best thing to do is to make no response
> > to any new postings.
>
> The ancien
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 06:23 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> Also, IMHO, there is no upside in attempting to engage the OP in
> intellectual discourse. The best thing to do is to make no response
> to any new postings.
The ancients had a more succinct way of putting it:
Don't feed the troll.
On 7 April 2010 23:23, Ed Greshko wrote:
> Also, IMHO, there is no upside in attempting to engage the OP in
> intellectual discourse. The best thing to do is to make no response to
> any new postings.
Ahh... but sometimes the community likes to engage in a bit of sport...
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On 04/08/2010 05:21 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 04/08/2010 02:29 AM, Marcel Rieux wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>>
>> On 04/06/2010 02:39 AM, Marcel Rieux wrote:
>>
>> > Meanwhile, back on the farm, Mark Shuttleworth pays his
>> developers and
On 04/08/2010 02:29 AM, Marcel Rieux wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>
> On 04/06/2010 02:39 AM, Marcel Rieux wrote:
>
> > Meanwhile, back on the farm, Mark Shuttleworth pays his
> developers and
> > doesn't get a cent back... for now.
>
> Far fro
On 7 April 2010 21:59, Marcel Rieux wrote:
> My point was that he wasn't breaking even. Rahul said that since Ubuntu is
> not a public company, it's impossible to know this for sure. And we don't.
>
> But I read an interview with Shuttleworth less than 3 months ago and he
> certainly said so and t
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 04/06/2010 02:39 AM, Marcel Rieux wrote:
>
> > Meanwhile, back on the farm, Mark Shuttleworth pays his developers and
> > doesn't get a cent back... for now.
>
> Far from true. You need to check your facts.
>
Oops! I missed this one. I
Am Montag, den 05.04.2010, 17:09 -0400 schrieb Marcel Rieux:
> I can't figure how the figures I see there are compatible with
> developers working for Red Hat for free... Ooops! I meant
> "contributing their work" for free.
Red Hat has a lot of payed employees. What figures are you talking
about?
On Mon, 2010-04-05 at 21:36 +0100, psmith wrote:
> On 01/04/10 23:44, Craig White wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 17:35 -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
> >
> >> Once upon a time, Craig White said:
> >>
> >>> as far as I can tell, you seem to be the only one confused about Red
> >>> Hat/Fedora
On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 21:36:30 +0100,
psmith wrote:
> you are joking right? fedora is just a testing ground for redhat (think
> selinux, pulseaudio, abrt etc etc), and the governance is full of
> @redhat.com people
It isn't "just" a testing ground for Redhat.
Redhat had does have a lot of
On 04/06/2010 02:39 AM, Marcel Rieux wrote:
>
>
> Meanwhile, back on the farm, Mark Shuttleworth pays his developers and
> doesn't get a cent back... for now.
Far from true. You need to check your facts.
Rahul
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On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 4:36 PM, psmith wrote:
> On 01/04/10 23:44, Craig White wrote:
>
> > I do have faith that Fedora governance is
> > independent of Red Hat.
> >
> > Craig
> >
> >
> >
> you are joking right? fedora is just a testing ground for redhat (think
> selinux, pulseaudio, abrt etc etc
On 01/04/10 23:44, Craig White wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 17:35 -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
>
>> Once upon a time, Craig White said:
>>
>>> as far as I can tell, you seem to be the only one confused about Red
>>> Hat/Fedora. Fedora is a completely separate entity with its own
>>> manag
Craig White:
>>> Get a blog for your uninformed opinions. I think you are seriously
>>> underestimating the amount of hostility your ramblings generate.
Tom H:
>> +1
Paul Allen Newell:
> +100
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On Sat, 2010-04-03 at 13:40 -0700, Suvayu Ali wrote:
> >> I believe its not a discussion if one or more parties have already
> >> made up their mind. ;)
> >>
> >> FWIW, AFAIK the kernel project and all of GNU also work through
> >> contributors. ;)
> >
> > GNU obviously is volunteer but I th
On Saturday 03 April 2010 10:08 AM, Craig White wrote:
> On Sat, 2010-04-03 at 09:52 -0700, suvayu ali wrote:
>> On 3 April 2010 09:01, Craig White wrote:
>>> On Sat, 2010-04-03 at 02:03 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote:
Though Red Hat is doing fine now, I believe it would be better off
qu
On Sat, 2010-04-03 at 09:52 -0700, suvayu ali wrote:
> On 3 April 2010 09:01, Craig White wrote:
> > On Sat, 2010-04-03 at 02:03 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote:
> >>
> >> Though Red Hat is doing fine now, I believe it would be better off
> >> questioning its development model before problems arise. By
On 3 April 2010 09:01, Craig White wrote:
> On Sat, 2010-04-03 at 02:03 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote:
>>
>> Though Red Hat is doing fine now, I believe it would be better off
>> questioning its development model before problems arise. By then, it's
>> usually too late to fix them. That's not how busi
On Sat, 2010-04-03 at 02:03 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote:
> OK. So, you're not working for Fedora, you're contributing work to
> Fedora. Call it the way you want, it might soon prove difficult to
> find "work contributors".
>
> People who contribute applications to Apple's iPhone receive 80¢ per
> do
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Matt Domsch wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 11:23:48PM -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote:
> >As a matter of fact, as Fedora is mainly financed by Red Hat as a test
> >bench for RHEL.
>
> Fedora is more than a test bench for RHEL.
>
> >I can hardly see how Fed
On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 22:51 -0500, Matt Domsch wrote:
> I'm confused. If you want Red Hat to treat you as an employee, that
> seems to be here: http://www.redhat.com/about/careers/
>
> If you want to create your own commercial Linux distribution, using
> Fedora as your upstream, you're welcome to
Tom H wrote:
>> Get a blog for your uninformed opinions. I think you are seriously
>> underestimating the amount of hostility your ramblings generate.
>>
>
> +1
>
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> underestimating the amount of hostility your ramblings generate.
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On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 23:23 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote:
>
> That's the document about the board I was referring to, but it's not
> Fedora statutes, it doesn't say where Fedora stands in relation to Red
> Hat. Nowhere in this document will you find something to back your
> assertion that "F
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 11:23:48PM -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote:
>As a matter of fact, as Fedora is mainly financed by Red Hat as a test
>bench for RHEL.
Fedora is more than a test bench for RHEL.
>I can hardly see how Fedora could stand as "a completely
>separate entity".
Legally,
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Craig White wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 22:02 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Craig White
> > wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 17:23 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote:
> >
> >
> > as far as I can tell, you seem to be
On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 22:40 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote:
> So! No more 'The "Stable" offering is Red Hat Enterprise Linux.' ?
>
> What? OK, RHEL might finally prove more solid than Fedora, but final
> is stable. Only security patches and important bug fixes should be
> uploaded. No program update
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Sam Sharpe wrote:
> On 1 April 2010 22:23, Marcel Rieux wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
> >>
> >> Once upon a time, Sam Sharpe said:
> >> > You keep saying this. I shall make only two points as I am bored of
> >> > saying this time a
On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 18:45 -0700, suvayu ali wrote:
> On 1 April 2010 15:35, Craig White wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 15:13 -0700, suvayu ali wrote:
> >> On 1 April 2010 14:46, Craig White wrote:
> >> > Red Hat is a different company, has their own mail lists, their own
> >> > software packa
On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 22:02 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Craig White
> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 17:23 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote:
>
>
> as far as I can tell, you seem to be the only one confused
> about Red
>
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Craig White wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 17:23 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote:
>
> as far as I can tell, you seem to be the only one confused about Red
> Hat/Fedora. Fedora is a completely separate entity with its own
> management, resources, servers though clearly
On 1 April 2010 15:35, Craig White wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 15:13 -0700, suvayu ali wrote:
>> On 1 April 2010 14:46, Craig White wrote:
>> > Red Hat is a different company, has their own mail lists, their own
>> > software packaging, etc. This has nothing to do with Fedora.
>> >
>>
>> And I
On 04/02/2010 04:36 AM, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Sam Sharpe said:
>
>> I believe that diverting resources into maintaining older releases
>> does not further any of the Foundations. It takes resources away from
>> further the last two principles.
>>
> I would say that pushing
Once upon a time, Sam Sharpe said:
> I believe that diverting resources into maintaining older releases
> does not further any of the Foundations. It takes resources away from
> further the last two principles.
I would say that pushing major updates to older releases takes more
resources, not les
On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 23:43 +0100, Sam Sharpe wrote:
> On 1 April 2010 23:35, Craig White wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 15:13 -0700, suvayu ali wrote:
> >> On 1 April 2010 14:46, Craig White wrote:
> >> > Red Hat is a different company, has their own mail lists, their own
> >> > software packa
On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 17:35 -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Craig White said:
> > as far as I can tell, you seem to be the only one confused about Red
> > Hat/Fedora. Fedora is a completely separate entity with its own
> > management, resources, servers though clearly it was incubate
On 1 April 2010 23:35, Craig White wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 15:13 -0700, suvayu ali wrote:
>> On 1 April 2010 14:46, Craig White wrote:
>> > Red Hat is a different company, has their own mail lists, their own
>> > software packaging, etc. This has nothing to do with Fedora.
>> >
>>
>> And I
On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 15:13 -0700, suvayu ali wrote:
> On 1 April 2010 14:46, Craig White wrote:
> > Red Hat is a different company, has their own mail lists, their own
> > software packaging, etc. This has nothing to do with Fedora.
> >
>
> And I recently learned they don't even use yum! :-o
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Once upon a time, suvayu ali said:
> On 1 April 2010 14:46, Craig White wrote:
> > Red Hat is a different company, has their own mail lists, their own
> > software packaging, etc. This has nothing to do with Fedora.
>
> And I recently learned they don't even use yum! :-o
Well, I guess you learn
Once upon a time, Craig White said:
> as far as I can tell, you seem to be the only one confused about Red
> Hat/Fedora. Fedora is a completely separate entity with its own
> management, resources, servers though clearly it was incubated using
> resources supplied by Red Hat.
While Fedora is a se
On 1 April 2010 14:46, Craig White wrote:
> Red Hat is a different company, has their own mail lists, their own
> software packaging, etc. This has nothing to do with Fedora.
>
And I recently learned they don't even use yum! :-o
> Craig
>
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On 1 April 2010 22:23, Marcel Rieux wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
>>
>> Once upon a time, Sam Sharpe said:
>> > You keep saying this. I shall make only two points as I am bored of
>> > saying this time and time again.
>>
>> I would welcome you stopping saying this,
On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 16:55 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote:
> I've written a case study about how Ubuntu is run and how Red Hat
> is/should, IMO, be run. >From a non-geek like me, it might seem
> pretentious.
pretentious would probably be a most generous characterization. Get a
blog. Spare us.
Red
On 1 April 2010 22:06, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Sam Sharpe said:
>> You keep saying this. I shall make only two points as I am bored of
>> saying this time and time again.
>
> I would welcome you stopping saying this, since you present two extremes
> as the only possible choices (wh
On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 17:23 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Chris Adams
> wrote:
> Once upon a time, Sam Sharpe
> said:
> > You keep saying this. I shall make only two points as I am
> bored of
> > saying this time and tim
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Sam Sharpe said:
> > You keep saying this. I shall make only two points as I am bored of
> > saying this time and time again.
>
> I would welcome you stopping saying this, since you present two extremes
> as the only possible
Once upon a time, Sam Sharpe said:
> You keep saying this. I shall make only two points as I am bored of
> saying this time and time again.
I would welcome you stopping saying this, since you present two extremes
as the only possible choices (which they are not).
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On 1 April 2010 21:55, Marcel Rieux wrote:
> As I already observed here, Ubuntu, Google, Intel/Nokia are newcomers
> on the free/open source scene and if Red Hat is to keep up, even though
> it's presently doing quite well, some important changes are needed. Red
> Hat/Fedora will have to provide
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 03:20:30PM -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote:
> >On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Alan Cox <[1]a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk
> >
> >wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 13:07:33 -0400
> > Marcel Rieux <[2]m.z.ri...@
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 03:20:30PM -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote:
>On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Alan Cox <[1]a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
>wrote:
>
> On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 13:07:33 -0400
> Marcel Rieux <[2]m.z.ri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I've been a bit late to get to the Distro
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Chris Tyler wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 13:07 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote:
>> > I've been a bit late to get to the Distrowatch weekly this week but I
>> > finally heard about Paul Frields, the Fedora Projec
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Chris Tyler wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 13:07 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote:
> > I've been a bit late to get to the Distrowatch weekly this week but I
> > finally heard about Paul Frields, the Fedora Project Leader, stepping
> > down.
> ...
> > So, I was wondering i
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Alan Cox wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 13:07:33 -0400
> Marcel Rieux wrote:
>
> > I've been a bit late to get to the Distrowatch weekly this week but I
> > finally heard about Paul Frields, the Fedora Project Leader, stepping
> down.
>
> Can you explain why you post
On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 13:07 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote:
> So, I was wondering if somebody who followed the matter could just
> drop a few lines explaing what the real story is.
Could the real story be that it's April 1st?
poc
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On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 13:07 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote:
> I've been a bit late to get to the Distrowatch weekly this week but I
> finally heard about Paul Frields, the Fedora Project Leader, stepping
> down.
...
> So, I was wondering if somebody who followed the matter could just
> drop a few lines
On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 13:07:33 -0400
Marcel Rieux wrote:
> I've been a bit late to get to the Distrowatch weekly this week but I
> finally heard about Paul Frields, the Fedora Project Leader, stepping down.
Can you explain why you posted this to the support list. It doesn't look
like a bug or confi
I've been a bit late to get to the Distrowatch weekly this week but I
finally heard about Paul Frields, the Fedora Project Leader, stepping down.
"I’m interested in branching out into other ways of championing free and
open source software at Red Hat", he says.
http://marilyn.frields.org:8080/~pa
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