Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-10 Thread Ed Greshko
On 02/11/18 04:56, Dave Close wrote: > Ed Greshko wrote: > >> Grasping at straws here >> >> Are you running vnc server as a systemd service that gets started >> at boot time? I've never had a problem with thatbut if you're >> doing that how about disabling it for a test. > No, I started it

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-10 Thread Dave Close
Ed Greshko wrote: > Grasping at straws here > > Are you running vnc server as a systemd service that gets started > at boot time? I've never had a problem with thatbut if you're > doing that how about disabling it for a test. No, I started it from the command line. Recall that I had the s

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-10 Thread Ed Greshko
On 02/11/18 04:21, Dave Close wrote: > Ed Greshko wrote: > >> If you ssh into the failing system and run "top" does anything >> seem odd? A process stuck at the top or hogging CPU? > 99.7% idle. Occasionally, plasmashell or vncserver will show a few > percent. Usually top itself is the big user.

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-10 Thread Dave Close
Ed Greshko wrote: > If you ssh into the failing system and run "top" does anything > seem odd? A process stuck at the top or hogging CPU? 99.7% idle. Occasionally, plasmashell or vncserver will show a few percent. Usually top itself is the big user. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA "You ca

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-10 Thread Ed Greshko
On 02/11/18 03:56, Dave Close wrote: > Ed Greshko wrote: > >> Can you run "dnf distro-sync" just to make sure all packages are >> at the most current level? > Dependencies resolved. > Nothing to do. OK If you ssh into the failing system and run "top" does anything seem odd?   A process

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-10 Thread Dave Close
Ed Greshko wrote: > Can you run "dnf distro-sync" just to make sure all packages are > at the most current level? Dependencies resolved. Nothing to do. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA "'Always' and 'never' are two d...@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359words you should always remember d

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-10 Thread Ed Greshko
On 02/11/18 02:42, Dave Close wrote: > Ed Greshko wrote: > You do get a login screen and then when you enter your PW you end up with a black screen with a cursor you can move around? >>> Yes. Exactly. >> OK then at that point the X-server is functioning normally. Would >> it be possible t

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-10 Thread Dave Close
Ed Greshko wrote: >>> You do get a login screen and then when you enter your PW you end >>> up with a black screen with a cursor you can move around? >> Yes. Exactly. > > OK then at that point the X-server is functioning normally. Would > it be possible to do the following? > > 1. Reboot the syste

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-10 Thread Dave Close
Samuel Sieb wrote: Well, I'm certainly seeking hints. The VNC session got me to a blank screen image. I opened an xterm on it and ran startx. >>> >>> You what? You ran startx from within an X session? >> >> Well, it's been a few days. I agree that doesn't make sense. I'll >> try it aga

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-09 Thread Ed Greshko
On 02/10/18 14:25, Dave Close wrote: > Ed Greshko wrote: > Is your system a desktop with a single monitor? A laptop with external monitor? Or something else? >>> It's a desktop with a single monitor. >>> If you do use either sddm or kdm do you get a login screen? Couldn't hurt t

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-09 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 02/09/2018 10:27 PM, Dave Close wrote: Samuel Sieb wrote: Well, I'm certainly seeking hints. The VNC session got me to a blank screen image. I opened an xterm on it and ran startx. You what? You ran startx from within an X session? Well, it's been a few days. I agree that doesn't make s

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-09 Thread Dave Close
Samuel Sieb wrote: >> Well, I'm certainly seeking hints. The VNC session got me to a >> blank screen image. I opened an xterm on it and ran startx. > > You what? You ran startx from within an X session? Well, it's been a few days. I agree that doesn't make sense. I'll try it again and post a cla

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-09 Thread Dave Close
Ed Greshko wrote: >>> Is your system a desktop with a single monitor? A laptop with >>> external monitor? Or something else? >> It's a desktop with a single monitor. >> >>> If you do use either sddm or kdm do you get a login screen? Couldn't >>> hurt to try that as Samuel has suggested. >> Using k

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-09 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 02/09/2018 10:04 PM, Dave Close wrote: Samuel Sieb wrote: I'm not switching consoles. I haven't yet reached the opportunity to do so when the system hangs and the black screen appears. After that, yes, I can and do switch to a text console so I can kill the hung KDE session. You do switch

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-09 Thread Dave Close
Samuel Sieb wrote: >> I'm not switching consoles. I haven't yet reached the opportunity >> to do so when the system hangs and the black screen appears. After >> that, yes, I can and do switch to a text console so I can kill the >> hung KDE session. > > You do switch consoles and you just again sai

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-09 Thread Ed Greshko
On 02/10/18 13:55, Dave Close wrote: > Ed Greshko wrote: > >> Is your system a desktop with a single monitor? A laptop with >> external monitor? Or something else? > It's a desktop with a single monitor. > >> If you do use either sddm or kdm do you get a login screen? Couldn't >> hurt to try that a

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-09 Thread Dave Close
Ed Greshko wrote: > Is your system a desktop with a single monitor? A laptop with > external monitor? Or something else? It's a desktop with a single monitor. > If you do use either sddm or kdm do you get a login screen? Couldn't > hurt to try that as Samuel has suggested. Using kdm, I get exac

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-08 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 02/08/2018 09:26 PM, Dave Close wrote: Ed Greshko wrote: Looking at your Xorg.0.log I see this at the end. [ 221.964] (II) AIGLX: Suspending AIGLX clients for VT switch [ 222.058] (II) systemd-logind: got pause for 13:65 [ 222.058] (II) systemd-logind: got pause for 13:69 [ 222.059]

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-08 Thread Ed Greshko
On 02/09/18 13:26, Dave Close wrote: > Ed Greshko wrote: > >> Looking at your Xorg.0.log I see this at the end. >> >> [ 221.964] (II) AIGLX: Suspending AIGLX clients for VT switch >> [ 222.058] (II) systemd-logind: got pause for 13:65 >> [ 222.058] (II) systemd-logind: got pause for 13:69 >>

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-08 Thread Dave Close
I wrote: >But it certainly does look like the systemd-logind pause is stuck >and could be the cause of my problem. BTW, /etc/systemd/logind.conf contains only comments and none of the other logind configuration files are present. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-08 Thread Dave Close
Ed Greshko wrote: > Looking at your Xorg.0.log I see this at the end. > > [ 221.964] (II) AIGLX: Suspending AIGLX clients for VT switch > [ 222.058] (II) systemd-logind: got pause for 13:65 > [ 222.058] (II) systemd-logind: got pause for 13:69 > [ 222.059] (II) systemd-logind: got pause fo

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-08 Thread Ed Greshko
On 02/09/18 12:37, Samuel Sieb wrote: > I'm pretty sure you're just missing some piece because of how you're starting > it.  > Gnome and KDE are really not designed to be started this way. FWIW, KDE starts just fine for me on several F27 systems using "startx". -- A motto of mine is: When in

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-08 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 02/06/2018 09:27 PM, Dave Close wrote: I have two systems that were recently upgraded from Fedora 26 to 27 using DNF system-upgrade. Both were successfully running a KDE desktop for several generations previously, including on F26. In both cases, after the upgrade, starting KDE showed the spla

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-08 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 02/06/2018 09:27 PM, Dave Close wrote: One of the systems is a 32-bit laptop with little local content. I chose to simply do a fresh install on this one to get it working quickly. Fedora doesn't offer an installation image for 32-bit F27 so I installed F25 and then did successive upgrades to F

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-08 Thread Ed Greshko
On 02/08/18 23:57, Dave Close wrote: > Ed Greshko wrote: > >> On 02/08/18 19:30, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >>> I think you said that Gnome does start but KDE doesn't, so it's likely >>> that something in the KDE config is causing the problem. >> Well, unless GNOME is using Wayland? > The way I rea

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-08 Thread Dave Close
Ed Greshko wrote: > Could you upload /home/dave/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log for > others to look at? The one on my test system is 402 lines long so > yours may be equally long. Sure. Here's the latest version. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA "Genius may have its limitations, d...@compata

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-08 Thread Dave Close
Ed Greshko wrote: >On 02/08/18 19:30, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> I think you said that Gnome does start but KDE doesn't, so it's likely >> that something in the KDE config is causing the problem. > Well, unless GNOME is using Wayland? The way I read the release notes, it is. Though there app

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-08 Thread Ed Greshko
On 02/08/18 19:30, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2018-02-07 at 21:46 -0800, Dave Close wrote: >> "Patrick O'Callaghan" wrote: >> >>> You might want to post on the Fedora KDE list for this kind >>> of problem. >> I may try that. But the XIO errors and the failure to open the >> display made m

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-08 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2018-02-07 at 21:46 -0800, Dave Close wrote: > "Patrick O'Callaghan" wrote: > > > You might want to post on the Fedora KDE list for this kind > > of problem. > > I may try that. But the XIO errors and the failure to open the > display made me think this might be a better place. I think y

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-07 Thread Ed Greshko
On 02/08/18 13:40, Dave Close wrote: > Ed Greshko wrote: > >>> (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" >> First, check the file /home/dave/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log for >> the complete Xorg log. Looking for EE lines > I found only two such lines, each present only in one of eight logs. > >

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-07 Thread Dave Close
"Patrick O'Callaghan" wrote: > You might want to post on the Fedora KDE list for this kind > of problem. I may try that. But the XIO errors and the failure to open the display made me think this might be a better place. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-07 Thread Dave Close
Ed Greshko wrote: >> (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" > > First, check the file /home/dave/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log for > the complete Xorg log. Looking for EE lines I found only two such lines, each present only in one of eight logs. (1) intel(0): Failed to submit rendering com

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-07 Thread Dave Close
I wrote: > I have two systems that were recently upgraded from Fedora 26 to 27 > using DNF system-upgrade. Both were successfully running a KDE desktop > for several generations previously, including on F26. In both cases, > after the upgrade, starting KDE showed the splash screen and then > a bla

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-07 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2018-02-07 at 21:26 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 02/07/18 18:31, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Wed, 2018-02-07 at 11:24 +0530, Prasad K wrote: > > > >startkde: Shutting down... > > > >kdeinit5_wrapper: Warning: connect(/run/user/1000/kdeinit5__0) > > > > failed: : No such file

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-07 Thread Ed Greshko
On 02/07/18 18:31, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2018-02-07 at 11:24 +0530, Prasad K wrote: >>>startkde: Shutting down... >>>kdeinit5_wrapper: Warning: connect(/run/user/1000/kdeinit5__0) failed: : >>> No such file or directory >>>Error: Can not contact kdeinit5! >>>xprop:

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-07 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2018-02-07 at 11:24 +0530, Prasad K wrote: > >startkde: Shutting down... > >kdeinit5_wrapper: Warning: connect(/run/user/1000/kdeinit5__0) failed: : > > No such file or directory > >Error: Can not contact kdeinit5! > >xprop: unable to open display ':0' > >xprop: unabl

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-06 Thread Ed Greshko
On 02/07/18 13:27, Dave Close wrote: > (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" First, check the file /home/dave/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log for the complete Xorg log.  Looking for EE lines On all of my systems that file doesn't exist since everything is determined by the kernel.  That l

Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-06 Thread Prasad K
On 07/02/18 10:57 AM, Dave Close wrote: I have two systems that were recently upgraded from Fedora 26 to 27 using DNF system-upgrade. Both were successfully running a KDE desktop for several generations previously, including on F26. In both cases, after the upgrade, starting KDE showed the splash

KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27

2018-02-06 Thread Dave Close
I have two systems that were recently upgraded from Fedora 26 to 27 using DNF system-upgrade. Both were successfully running a KDE desktop for several generations previously, including on F26. In both cases, after the upgrade, starting KDE showed the splash screen and then a blank screen with only