Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-21 Thread Tim
Tim: To a large degree, a Windows box is protected from the internet by NAT in the router, ... Dave Ihnat: NAT is not a security protection. At best it's obfuscation. Yes, I know. Poor choice of words, on my behalf. It's somewhat buffered, in that NAT often gets in the way. But it's not

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-21 Thread J.Witvliet
...@yahoo.com.au] Verzonden: Thursday, February 21, 2013 05:52 PM W. Europe Standard Time Aan: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org Onderwerp: Re: Odd Question, Wifi Tim: To a large degree, a Windows box is protected from the internet by NAT in the router, ... Dave Ihnat: NAT

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-21 Thread Bill Davidsen
Dave Ihnat wrote: To a large degree, a Windows box is protected from the internet by NAT in the router, ... NAT is not a security protection. At best it's obfuscation. And if someone comes into a LAN via it's WAP, they're on the _inside_, so NAT doesn't apply, and they're behind the router

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-20 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 03:40:05PM -0500, Jim wrote: No I'm not a Wardriver, I just think the guy shouldn't be using a Unsecured AP, It leads to nothing but trouble down the road, when a hacker logs on to his open AP and starts hacking the Dept of Defence and the FBI shows up at his door one

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-20 Thread Junk
On Tue, 2013-02-19 at 15:10 -0500, Jim wrote: Is there any way a Unsecure Wifi connection, one can determine how to contact the owner about his connection. I can't visualise how , but I just thought I would just ask. Have you tried printing a stack of small leaflets and posting them

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-20 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 08:48:31AM +, Junk wrote: Have you tried printing a stack of small leaflets and posting them through neighbours doors? Maybe with an infographic showing the perils of open access wifi. Or maybe knocking on doors and talking. Or, let your neighbor continue to be

RE: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-20 Thread J.Witvliet
From: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 9:40 PM To: Community support for Fedora users Subject: Re: Odd Question, Wifi On 02/19/2013 03:13 PM, JOYCE POLZIN wrote

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-20 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2013-02-20 at 08:48 +, Junk wrote: Have you tried printing a stack of small leaflets and posting them through neighbours doors? Maybe with an infographic showing the perils of open access wifi. Or maybe knocking on doors and talking. If you didn't know your neighbour well enough,

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-20 Thread Dave Ihnat
Once, long ago--actually, on Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 06:46:05AM CST--Tim (ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au) said: If you didn't know your neighbour well enough, in the first place, to mention in passing that their wireless was unsecured, that approach would be about the only thing I'd attempt to do

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-20 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/20/2013 06:36 AM, Dave Ihnat wrote: NAT is not a security protection. At best it's obfuscation. Security isn't just one thing; it's a set of layers. NAT is one of them. Nothing more, but nothing less either. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change

Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-19 Thread Jim
Is there any way a Unsecure Wifi connection, one can determine how to contact the owner about his connection. I can't visualise how , but I just thought I would just ask. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-19 Thread JOYCE POLZIN
- Original Message - Is there any way a Unsecure Wifi connection, one can determine how to contact the owner about his connection. I can't visualise how , but I just thought I would just ask. -- What do you want to do? Wardrive around your neighborhood and then start knocking on

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-19 Thread Jim
On 02/19/2013 03:13 PM, JOYCE POLZIN wrote: Is there any way a Unsecure Wifi connection, one can determine how to contact the owner about his connection. I can't visualise how , but I just thought I would just ask. --

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-19 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/19/2013 12:10 PM, Jim wrote: Is there any way a Unsecure Wifi connection, one can determine how to contact the owner about his connection. I can't visualise how , but I just thought I would just ask. I used to know a man who'd log onto them, then put a job in their print queue warning

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-19 Thread Jim
On 02/19/2013 03:41 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 02/19/2013 12:10 PM, Jim wrote: Is there any way a Unsecure Wifi connection, one can determine how to contact the owner about his connection. I can't visualise how , but I just thought I would just ask. I used to know a man who'd log onto them,

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-19 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/19/2013 12:40 PM, Jim wrote: I do have some very good neighbours and hate to see one hauled off to jail for something he wasn't aware of. Another possible problem is having a neighbor connect to your WiFi and download so much video content that you find yourself hitting your bandwidth

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-19 Thread Todor Petkov
On 19/02/2013 10:52 PM, Jim wrote: On 02/19/2013 03:41 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 02/19/2013 12:10 PM, Jim wrote: Is there any way a Unsecure Wifi connection, one can determine how to contact the owner about his connection. I can't visualise how , but I just thought I would just ask. I used

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-19 Thread Steven Stern
On 02/19/2013 02:41 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: I used to know a man who'd log onto them, then put a job in their print queue warning them. Clever idea! Print out the manual pages for their router with the security configuration. -- -- Steve -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-19 Thread Jim
On 02/19/2013 03:56 PM, Todor Petkov wrote: On 19/02/2013 10:52 PM, Jim wrote: On 02/19/2013 03:41 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 02/19/2013 12:10 PM, Jim wrote: Is there any way a Unsecure Wifi connection, one can determine how to contact the owner about his connection. I can't visualise how , but

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-19 Thread Jim
On 02/19/2013 04:07 PM, Steven Stern wrote: On 02/19/2013 02:41 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: I used to know a man who'd log onto them, then put a job in their print queue warning them. Clever idea! Print out the manual pages for their router with the security configuration. How would you do that ?

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-19 Thread Todor Petkov
On 19/02/2013 11:20 PM, Jim wrote: On 02/19/2013 03:56 PM, Todor Petkov wrote: Try to open www.whatismyip.com, look at the IP address and call the ISP to warn the user. the IP address that the AP shows is a local 192.168.x.x and is not a world IP. You can a private IP from the AP, but

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-19 Thread Steven Stern
On 02/19/2013 03:26 PM, Jim wrote: On 02/19/2013 04:07 PM, Steven Stern wrote: On 02/19/2013 02:41 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: I used to know a man who'd log onto them, then put a job in their print queue warning them. Clever idea! Print out the manual pages for their router with the security

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-19 Thread Jim
On 02/19/2013 03:56 PM, Todor Petkov wrote: On 19/02/2013 10:52 PM, Jim wrote: On 02/19/2013 03:41 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 02/19/2013 12:10 PM, Jim wrote: Is there any way a Unsecure Wifi connection, one can determine how to contact the owner about his connection. I can't visualise how , but

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-19 Thread Bill Davidsen
Joe Zeff wrote: On 02/19/2013 12:10 PM, Jim wrote: Is there any way a Unsecure Wifi connection, one can determine how to contact the owner about his connection. I can't visualise how , but I just thought I would just ask. I used to know a man who'd log onto them, then put a job in their

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-19 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 19.02.2013 22:51, schrieb Jim: I got his world IP and I used whois and it says that it is a This is a Ripe Database query service, The objects are in RPSL format What is this ?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whois http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIPE signature.asc Description: OpenPGP

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-19 Thread Bill Davidsen
Jim wrote: On 02/19/2013 04:07 PM, Steven Stern wrote: On 02/19/2013 02:41 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: I used to know a man who'd log onto them, then put a job in their print queue warning them. Clever idea! Print out the manual pages for their router with the security configuration. How would you

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-19 Thread David G . Miller
Jim binarynut at comcast.net writes: Is there any way a Unsecure Wifi connection, one can determine how to contact the owner about his connection. I can't visualise how , but I just thought I would just ask. Use nmap to find the actual host IP addresses of systems on his network and then