Am 12.09.2011 20:47, schrieb Joe Zeff:
> On 09/12/2011 11:05 AM, Frederick N. Brier wrote:
>> Wow. Thank you. I was hesitant to try KDE after reading about 4.x, but
>> XFCE has brought most of the snappiness back to my machine.
> There's an old trick that most of the early window managers used
On 09/12/2011 07:47 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 09/12/2011 11:05 AM, Frederick N. Brier wrote:
>> Wow. Thank you. I was hesitant to try KDE after reading about 4.x, but
>> XFCE has brought most of the snappiness back to my machine.
>
> There's an old trick that most of the early window managers use
On 09/12/2011 11:05 AM, Frederick N. Brier wrote:
> Wow. Thank you. I was hesitant to try KDE after reading about 4.x, but
> XFCE has brought most of the snappiness back to my machine.
There's an old trick that most of the early window managers used that I
hadn't seen in years until I tried XFC
On 09/09/2011 03:57 PM, Clemens Eisserer wrote:
>> A lot of people dismissed KDE after the rough time of version 4.0, in
>> a similar way that Gnome3 is now losing its userbase. But today KDE4
>> is a beautiful, stable and very user-friendly DE.
> Stable? I had to wait until KDE-4.6 until I finally
> A lot of people dismissed KDE after the rough time of version 4.0, in
> a similar way that Gnome3 is now losing its userbase. But today KDE4
> is a beautiful, stable and very user-friendly DE.
Stable? I had to wait until KDE-4.6 until I finally decided that
waiting and reporting bugs won't fix i
IceWM is your friend :)
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On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Genes MailLists wrote:
> Everyone is required to change - if you don't like G-3 there are
> several great DE's ... fedora makes it super easy to try them - then
> pick the one that suits your needs.
>
> Fiddling and diddling and painting the donkey to look like a
On 09/08/2011 09:32 AM, Pedro Francisco wrote:
> Too much work. I'd recommend either Gnome's fallback mode or use a
> taskbar like tint2, which is what I'm doing now :)
>
>
It makes far more sense to do what many have already done and switch
to a stable and configurable DE that better suits yo
Too much work. I'd recommend either Gnome's fallback mode or use a taskbar
like tint2, which is what I'm doing now :)
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
> > I liked Gnome2. Mostly I liked all the nice GUI utilities built on top
> > of it. And now I am not sure what I am g
On Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 11:23:26AM -0700, Frederick N. Brier wrote:
> On 09/02/2011 07:31 AM, Stefan Held wrote:
> > Am Freitag, den 02.09.2011, 09:44 -0400 schrieb Darryl L. Pierce:
> >
> >> Great points. If we didn't have change and innovation we'd all still be
> >> using 80x25 monochrome text mo
On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 23:05 +, Mark Eggers wrote:
> The left-screen / right-screen tango with a large monitor is
> cumbersome. Many have commented on this. I find it unpleasant as well.
>
> The work-around I use is Ctrl-Alt up-arrow and down-arrow. This allows
> me to easily page through my v
Gentle People:
Some thoughts from the users prospective on feature innovation
in the Fedora Project:
BTW: I would overall like to congratulate the Fedora developers
for producing some pretty excellent software!
However I do have some concerns about the direction of innovation and
On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 11:23:26 -0700, Frederick N. Brier wrote:
> On 09/02/2011 07:31 AM, Stefan Held wrote:
>> Am Freitag, den 02.09.2011, 09:44 -0400 schrieb Darryl L. Pierce:
>>
>>> Great points. If we didn't have change and innovation we'd all still
>>> be using 80x25 monochrome text mode termin
On 09/02/2011 07:31 AM, Stefan Held wrote:
> Am Freitag, den 02.09.2011, 09:44 -0400 schrieb Darryl L. Pierce:
>
>> Great points. If we didn't have change and innovation we'd all still be
>> using 80x25 monochrome text mode terminals.
What was wrong with 80x25 monochrome? I liked the Hercules disp
On 09/06/2011 05:17 AM, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote:
> Wow. I hope you guys are just as effusive with your praise to developers
> for software that you actually like...
It's not that we don't like Gnome. I used Gnome 2.x and liked it. What
I never liked is the attitude of the devs, even then
On 09/02/2011 12:53 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
> Joe Zeff wrote:
>
>> Since when has there been the slightest sign of the Gnome devs giving a
>> rats ass about what mere users think?
>
> They care enormously about what the imaginary user they have
> created thinks. Real users, not so much. They can alw
On Fri, 2011-09-02 at 13:43 +0200, Łukasz Jagiełło wrote:
> Don't forget about people like me who really likes new gnome3. You
> want change distribution only cause you doesn't like new gnome3. Did
> you write all your problems at F-15 alpha stage or earlier stage when
> everything was possible to
> Yes, they're human, just as Bill Gates and all of his minions are.
> However, when it comes to the Gnome devs, I've never seen the slightest
> indication that they even pay attention to what the users want or need,
> let alone their complaints. This is one of the many reasons I don't use
> G
On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 11:24:24 -0700
Joe Zeff wrote:
> Yes, they're human, just as Bill Gates and all of his minions are.
> However, when it comes to the Gnome devs, I've never seen the slightest
> indication that they even pay attention to what the users want or need,
> let alone their complaint
On 09/02/2011 11:03 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
> I take your point. However, I think they're human; if you prick them,
> do they not bleed? Surely they must be a little bit hurt by all these
> complaints from their users.
Yes, they're human, just as Bill Gates and all of his minions are.
However,
On 09/02/2011 05:41 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 09/02/2011 05:51 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
>> I hope that the GNOME developers will make good
>> use of this feedback.
>
> Since when has there been the slightest sign of the Gnome devs giving a
> rats ass about what mere users think?
I take your point.
On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 09:41:10 -0700
Joe Zeff wrote:
> Since when has there been the slightest sign of the Gnome devs giving a
> rats ass about what mere users think?
They care enormously about what the imaginary user they have
created thinks. Real users, not so much. They can always
imagine overw
On 09/02/2011 05:51 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
> I hope that the GNOME developers will make good
> use of this feedback.
>
Since when has there been the slightest sign of the Gnome devs giving a
rats ass about what mere users think?
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On 09/02/2011 01:21 AM, Alan Cox wrote:
> Ease of use. We've replaced option boxes with magic impenetrable
> extensions and for the rest you have to code them yourself.
No. Ease of coding for the devs and to hell with the users.
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On 09/01/2011 04:24 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> A lot of people dismissed KDE after the rough time of version 4.0, in
> a similar way that Gnome3 is now losing its userbase. But today KDE4
> is a beautiful, stable and very user-friendly DE. I guess Gnome3 will
> get back on its feet in the next co
Am Freitag, den 02.09.2011, 09:44 -0400 schrieb Darryl L. Pierce:
> Great points. If we didn't have change and innovation we'd all still be
> using 80x25 monochrome text mode terminals.
It was only a change, no innovation .
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On Fri, 2 Sep 2011 15:01:56 +0100
Alan Cox wrote:
> fvwm went from hero to zero in a few years
Who says? I use it all the time because it doesn't
obsessively change out from under me just because it
can. Some faction of linux geeks seem to believe that
if something isn't radically changed every f
2011/9/2, Alan Cox :
> No easy answers but there is a free market, and weaker solutions go away
> (amazingly fast some times - fvwm went from hero to zero in a few years
> for example)
I assume you meant "fvwm became stable" :-)
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On Fri, 2 Sep 2011 14:43:42 +0100
Richard Hughes wrote:
> On 1 September 2011 21:29, Digimer wrote:
> > Also, Linux is all about choice.
>
> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-January/msg00861.html
Yeah its a very naïve viewpoint. The problem starts here
"Software is hard.
On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 04:29:59PM -0400, Digimer wrote:
> When Red hat 8 (original) came out, I hated Gnome and wanted
> Enlightenment back.
>
> When Windows 95 came out, I hated it's new UI and wanted 3.1 back.
Great points. If we didn't have change and innovation we'd all still be
using 80x25
On 1 September 2011 21:29, Digimer wrote:
> Also, Linux is all about choice.
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-January/msg00861.html
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On 09/02/2011 12:43 PM, Łukasz Jagiełło wrote:
> 2011/9/2 Amadeus W.M. :
>> But it's a sin to take something good - granted, possibly not perfect -
>> and turn it into something unusable for so many people. Why did the UI
>> have to change to something that looks and feels like a giant smart
>> pho
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 01:32, Amadeus W.M. wrote:
>
> I can't find much information about the gnome3 developers, but they must
> be generation Facebook - it's the "stay connected" philosophy that I see
> in gnome3. There's more to computing than that.
>
> I wish someone from the old guard found th
2011/9/2 Amadeus W.M. :
> But it's a sin to take something good - granted, possibly not perfect -
> and turn it into something unusable for so many people. Why did the UI
> have to change to something that looks and feels like a giant smart
> phone? Integrated chat and messaging? Where did that com
>Messaggio originale
>Da: ibmal...@gmail.com
>Data: 2-set-2011 11.51
>A: "Community support for Fedora users"
>Ogg:
Re: Fedora 15 is a lot like Windows OS's.. irritating, offensive,
difficult
to use with ease, nauseating to try...
>
>On 1 Septem
On 1 September 2011 21:15, Linda McLeod wrote:
>
>
> I love this Fedora-14, and everything Red Hat, but Fedora-15 is a lot
> like those vile Windows OS's..
Essentially, every time I see a post like this I stop reading as soon
as it tries to argue that something is wrong because it's like
Windows.
2011/9/2 Alan Cox :
> On Thu, 1 Sep 2011 21:04:18 -0400
> "Mark W. Jeanmougin" wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 18:03, Rudolf Kastl wrote:
>> > 2011/9/1 Alan Cox :
>> >> If you really want everything to just get out of the way and don't need
>> >> the user niceness stuff you might also want to
On Thu, 1 Sep 2011 21:04:18 -0400
"Mark W. Jeanmougin" wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 18:03, Rudolf Kastl wrote:
> > 2011/9/1 Alan Cox :
> >> If you really want everything to just get out of the way and don't need
> >> the user niceness stuff you might also want to look at Enlightement
> >>
> >
On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 23:20:19 -0400
Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 14:34 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
> > On 09/01/2011 02:18 PM, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> >
> > > gnome-shell-extension-righthotcorner-1.0-1.fc15.noarch
> > >
> >
> > Why do you have to install an extension to make suc
On Fri, Sep 02, 2011 at 04:32:07AM +, Amadeus W.M. wrote:
> Why did the UI have to change to something that looks and feels
> like a giant smart phone?
> Integrated chat and messaging? Where did that come from?
Maybe because in the not too distant future all "PCs" will
become giant (or dwarf
On 09/02/2011 02:46 AM, DJ Delorie wrote:
> Does it support Gnome 2 ? That seems to be what everyone who complains
> about Gnome 3 actually wants...
http://k3rnel.net/2011/06/15/bluebubble-faq/
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 22:11:57 +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
>> Would someone please tell me.. Why is F-15 such a mess..? The worst
>> thing is the jumbled up desktop..
>
> The great thing about Linux is that the desktop is not wired into the
> system. The great thing about Fedora is it supports and pac
On 09/01/2011 06:04 PM, Mark W. Jeanmougin wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 18:03, Rudolf Kastl wrote:
>> 2011/9/1 Alan Cox:
>>> If you really want everything to just get out of the way and don't need
>>> the user niceness stuff you might also want to look at Enlightement
>>>
>>> yum search
On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 14:34 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 09/01/2011 02:18 PM, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
>
> > gnome-shell-extension-righthotcorner-1.0-1.fc15.noarch
> >
>
> Why do you have to install an extension to make such a small change?
> Shouldn't this be configurable?
>
Think of it as a d
where'd the OP go?
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
> On 09/01/2011 02:18 PM, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
>> On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 16:01 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
>>
>>> 2. Who thought it was a good idea to make someone put their cursor to
>>> the upper left corner in order t
On 09/01/2011 02:18 PM, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 16:01 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
>
>> 2. Who thought it was a good idea to make someone put their cursor to
>> the upper left corner in order to switch desktops that are all the way
>> on the right? How is that ergonomic? I act
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 18:03, Rudolf Kastl wrote:
> 2011/9/1 Alan Cox :
>> If you really want everything to just get out of the way and don't need
>> the user niceness stuff you might also want to look at Enlightement
>>
>> yum search enlightenment
>>
>> Alan
>
> e17 will be removed from f1
On 09/01/2011 03:35 PM, Alan Cox wrote:
> But none of them enough to maintain it apparently. Nothing in Fedora
> magically appears - someone has to maintain it.
Maintaining a package takes specific programming skills and the time to
do the work. If Fedora had been able to fork Gnome and keep a G
On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 17:16:54 -0400
DJ Delorie wrote:
>
> Alan Cox writes:
> > The great thing about Fedora is it supports and packages many
> > desktops.
>
> Does it support Gnome 2 ? That seems to be what everyone who complains
> about Gnome 3 actually wants...
But none of them enough to ma
2011/9/1 Alan Cox :
>> Would someone please tell me.. Why is F-15 such a mess..? The worst
>> thing is the jumbled up desktop..
>
> The great thing about Linux is that the desktop is not wired into the
> system. The great thing about Fedora is it supports and packages many
> desktops.
>
> So
>
>
On 09/01/2011 04:11 PM, Alan Cox wrote:
>> Would someone please tell me.. Why is F-15 such a mess..? The worst
>> thing is the jumbled up desktop..
>
> The great thing about Linux is that the desktop is not wired into the
> system. The great thing about Fedora is it supports and packages many
>
On 09/01/2011 02:18 PM, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> gnome-shell-extension-righthotcorner-1.0-1.fc15.noarch
>
Why do you have to install an extension to make such a small change?
Shouldn't this be configurable?
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On 09/01/2011 02:15 PM, Konstantin Svist wrote:
> On 09/01/2011 01:54 PM, Pasha R wrote:
>> When Win95 came out it took me less than 1 day to adapt (btw, do you
>> know that you could use Win3.1-like program manager in Win95). When
>> RH8 came out, it took me less than 1 day to adapt. Same for Gno
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Alan Cox wrote:
>> Would someone please tell me.. Why is F-15 such a mess..? The worst
>> thing is the jumbled up desktop..
>
> The great thing about Linux is that the desktop is not wired into the
> system. The great thing about Fedora is it supports and package
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 16:01 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
>> 2. Who thought it was a good idea to make someone put their cursor to
>> the upper left corner in order to switch desktops that are all the way
>> on the right? How is that ergonomic
On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 23:54 +0300, Pasha R wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Digimer wrote:
> > On 09/01/2011 04:15 PM, Linda McLeod wrote:
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >> You'll see...
> >>
> >
> > When Red hat 8 (original) came out, I hated Gnome and wanted
> > Enlightenment back.
> >
> > When W
On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 16:01 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
>
> 2. Who thought it was a good idea to make someone put their cursor to
> the upper left corner in order to switch desktops that are all the way
> on the right? How is that ergonomic? I actually don't mind doing that
> for switching apps or
Alan Cox writes:
> The great thing about Fedora is it supports and packages many
> desktops.
Does it support Gnome 2 ? That seems to be what everyone who complains
about Gnome 3 actually wants...
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On 09/01/2011 01:54 PM, Pasha R wrote:
> When Win95 came out it took me less than 1 day to adapt (btw, do you
> know that you could use Win3.1-like program manager in Win95). When
> RH8 came out, it took me less than 1 day to adapt. Same for Gnome2,
> different versions of KDE/XFCE I tried over ti
> Would someone please tell me.. Why is F-15 such a mess..? The worst
> thing is the jumbled up desktop..
The great thing about Linux is that the desktop is not wired into the
system. The great thing about Fedora is it supports and packages many
desktops.
So
yum groupinstall Xfce
exit
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 3:50 PM, William Henry wrote:
> +1. Gotten used to Gnome 3 and now love it.
>
> Still trying to figure some things out. (Why has my Xchat no pull down menus
> anymore? I can't modify anything.)
I was considering a not quite rant I'm OK with Gnome 3 after
adding a few
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Digimer wrote:
> On 09/01/2011 04:15 PM, Linda McLeod wrote:
>>
>
>
>
>> You'll see...
>>
>
> When Red hat 8 (original) came out, I hated Gnome and wanted
> Enlightenment back.
>
> When Windows 95 came out, I hated it's new UI and wanted 3.1 back.
>
> Things chang
+1. Gotten used to Gnome 3 and now love it.
Still trying to figure some things out. (Why has my Xchat no pull down menus
anymore? I can't modify anything.)
William
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> On 09/01/2011 04:15 PM, Linda McLeod wrote:
> >
>
>
>
> > You'll see...
> >
>
> When Red hat 8
On 09/01/2011 04:15 PM, Linda McLeod wrote:
>
> You'll see...
>
When Red hat 8 (original) came out, I hated Gnome and wanted
Enlightenment back.
When Windows 95 came out, I hated it's new UI and wanted 3.1 back.
Things change, it's part of computers (and everything else). So when F15
came o
On Thu, Sep 01, 2011 at 01:15:25PM -0700, Linda McLeod wrote:
Try to differentiate: Gnome 3 is not Fedora 15, and vice versa. There
are other desktop environments that you can use rather than Gnome 3.
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On 1 September 2011 20:15, Linda McLeod wrote:
>
> And there's nothing in right click.. And you can't run two home files
> simultaneous.. I need that for script and photo editing... You can't
Yes, you can. Just open another tab or window from file menu in nautilus.
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