Re: Reply-To munging summary (was: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)

2010-07-12 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't seen a summary of this big thread, so I'm going to try to write one. I'll focus on Reply-To munging here (orthogonal to non-subscribers). Sorry for replying again on this thread, but I found a few more

Re: Reply-To munging summary (was: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)

2010-07-11 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 1:23 AM, Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au wrote: It may be common knowledge. It is not reflexive behaviour. People reach for plain reply by habit. Happens all the time, very common. Since you are taking your assumptions as truth, I'll do the same: The only people that

Re: Reply-To munging summary (was: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)

2010-07-10 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: In my opinion, many lists set the reply-to address because those lists are intended to keep replies on the list, and the list managers know that most people wouldn't do that if it wasn't preset for them.  People will just

Re: Reply-To munging summary (was: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)

2010-07-10 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 13:29 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: Also, people that are used to Reply-To munging can get used to clicking reply to all; it's a matter of habit, but no functionality is lost. Why does

Re: Reply-To munging summary (was: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)

2010-07-10 Thread Tim
Tim: In my opinion, many lists set the reply-to address because those lists are intended to keep replies on the list, and the list managers know that most people wouldn't do that if it wasn't preset for them. People will just hit reply, and expect it to do the right thing. Felipe Contreras:

Re: Reply-To munging summary (was: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)

2010-07-10 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Tim: In my opinion, many lists set the reply-to address because those lists are intended to keep replies on the list, and the list managers know that most people wouldn't do that if it wasn't preset for them.  People

Re: Reply-To munging summary (was: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)

2010-07-10 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 5:20 AM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: In my opinion, many lists set the reply-to address because those lists are intended to keep replies on the list, and the list managers know

Re: Reply-To munging summary (was: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)

2010-07-10 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 11:27 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 5:20 AM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: In my opinion, many lists set the reply-to address because those lists

Re: Reply-To munging summary (was: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)

2010-07-10 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 11Jul2010 01:06, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: | On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 11:27 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: | On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 5:20 AM, Felipe Contreras | felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: | On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au

Re: Reply-To munging summary (was: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)

2010-07-10 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 09Jul2010 12:03, Kwan Lowe k...@digitalhermit.com wrote: | On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan | pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: | [snip] | I also agree with the rest of your post (and see no reason to quote it | in its entirety :-), but I wonder if we're all just rearranging the

Re: Reply-To munging summary (was: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)

2010-07-10 Thread Tim
On Sun, 2010-07-11 at 12:10 +1000, Cameron Simpson wrote: Can the in-reply-to header be embedded in a mailto: link? You can only really rely on the to address making through a mailto link. And even then, it's only going to work when someone has a configured mail client on the system. It

Re: Reply-To munging summary (was: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)

2010-07-09 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2010-07-09 at 15:18 +0930, Tim wrote: A new post button, to write a new message to that group, that wasn't an erroneous reply to a prior post. A feature sadly lacking from mail clients when they're working with list mail, that could quite easily be added to the toolbar (or an

Re: Reply-To munging summary (was: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)

2010-07-09 Thread Kwan Lowe
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] I also agree with the rest of your post (and see no reason to quote it in its entirety :-), but I wonder if we're all just rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic when it comes to mailing lists. I have the

Re: Reply-To munging summary (was: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)

2010-07-09 Thread Tim
On Fri, 2010-07-09 at 09:24 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I wonder if we're all just rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic when it comes to mailing lists. I have the impression that the whole ml thing is actually a poor man's Usenet, invented because everyone has mail. I've had the

Reply-To munging summary (was: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)

2010-07-08 Thread Felipe Contreras
Hi, I haven't seen a summary of this big thread, so I'm going to try to write one. I'll focus on Reply-To munging here (orthogonal to non-subscribers). Before starting it's worth to keep in mind that munging is a *default* that is possible to manually change, and some clients have the option to

Re: Reply-To munging summary (was: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)

2010-07-08 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 09:14:23 -0430 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Why does no-one ever mention Reply To List as the proper way to, duh, reply to the list? Probably because all the mail clients I've seen have it hidden somewhere down inside some obscure pull-down and users don't even know such a

Re: Reply-To munging summary (was: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)

2010-07-08 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 09:14:23 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 13:29 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: Also, people that are used to Reply-To munging can get used to clicking reply to all; it's a matter of habit, but no functionality is lost.

Re: Reply-To munging summary (was: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)

2010-07-08 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 10:45 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 09:14:23 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 13:29 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: Also, people that are used to Reply-To munging can get used to clicking reply to

Re: Reply-To munging summary (was: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)

2010-07-08 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't seen a summary of this big thread, so I'm going to try to write one. I'll focus on Reply-To munging here (orthogonal to non-subscribers). An unsurprisingly biased and inaccurate summary... -- users

Re: Reply-To munging summary (was: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)

2010-07-08 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 09:14 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Why does no-one ever mention Reply To List as the proper way to, duh, reply to the list? Probably because it's hardly ever seen as an option to the user (it's hidden, or simply not offered). Mail clients are often quite awful, and