Dear All,
Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released? What
are the main reasons?
Thanks in advance,
Paul
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On 12/07/13 15:45, Paul Smith wrote:
Dear All,
Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released? What
are the main reasons?
Thanks in advance,
Paul
Access to newer versions of software and the features they add. In
general, it's personal preference. How "bleedin
On 07/12/2013 02:45 PM, Paul Smith wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released? What
> are the main reasons?
>
Assuming you're on a version that still gets support, patches, and updates:
1. If you've chosen Fedora, it'
On 07/12/2013 03:45 PM, Paul Smith wrote:
Dear All,
Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released? What
are the main reasons?
Thanks in advance,
Paul
Today we have an upgrade tool that makes the upgrade process almost
seamless. That is, as long as you upgrade every time
On 07/12/2013 03:45 PM, Paul Smith wrote:
Dear All,
Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released? What
are the main reasons?
Thanks in advance,
Paul
As far as it was explained to me: you're not REALLY required to upgrade,
if the version you're using suits you
On 07/12/2013 12:51 PM, Temlakos wrote:
Today we have an upgrade tool that makes the upgrade process almost
seamless. That is, as long as you upgrade every time. Miss a version,
and you're in trouble. Miss two or three versions, and any major change
will force you to do a complete, wipe-your-driv
Paul Smith writes:
> Dear All,
>
> Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released? What
> are the main reasons?
Besides all the reasons already mentioned: It can be much more
manageable to adjust one or two things when upgrading from one release
to the next th
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013, lee wrote:
Besides all the reasons already mentioned: It can be much more
manageable to adjust one or two things when upgrading from one release
to the next than it may be having to suddenly adjust five or ten after
skipping some releases.
What are the main reasons not to u
On 07/13/2013 11:57 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013, lee wrote:
Besides all the reasons already mentioned: It can be much more
manageable to adjust one or two things when upgrading from one release
to the next than it may be having to suddenly adjust five or ten after
skipping s
Am 12.07.2013 21:45, schrieb Paul Smith:
> Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released? What
> are the main reasons?
because after F19 is released a month later F17 is EOL and
get no security updates and no support and the same for F19
after F20 is released
if you
On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 21:48:40 +0200 Reindl Harald
wrote:
>
>
> Am 12.07.2013 21:45, schrieb Paul Smith:
> > Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released? What
> > are the main reasons?
>
> because after F19 is released a month later F17 is EOL an
Michael Hennebry writes:
> On Sat, 13 Jul 2013, lee wrote:
>
>> What are the main reasons not to upgrade?
>
> For me it was the aggravation.
> Installing was always a struggle.
> I was on F14 when I tried to do a fresh install of F16.
> Never got it to work.
> I'm running CentOS now, but keep F14
>
> From what I've been reading, CentOS isn't upgradeable at all. If that's
> true, I'm surprised you're using it.
>
Red Hat does not support upgrades between major versions of enterprise
Linux... And the rebuilds thus have the same policy.
The point of using it of course is a stable environment
Reindl Harald writes:
> Am 14.07.2013 01:25, schrieb lee:
>> From what I've been reading, CentOS isn't upgradeable at all. If that's
>> true, I'm surprised you're using it.
>
> * you use it if you do not need new features over the lifecycle
For which use cases can you predict that you will be f
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
On 07/13/2013 11:57 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote:
For me it was the aggravation.
Installing was always a struggle.
I was on F14 when I tried to do a fresh install of F16.
Never got it to work.
I'm running CentOS now, but keep F14 around in case
On Sun, 14 Jul 2013, lee wrote:
Reindl Harald writes:
Am 14.07.2013 01:25, schrieb lee:
From what I've been reading, CentOS isn't upgradeable at all. If that's
true, I'm surprised you're using it.
* you use it if you do not need new features over the lifecycle
For which use cases can yo
Hi
On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Michael Hennebry <
henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Jul 2013, lee wrote:
>
> Reindl Harald writes:
>>
>> Am 14.07.2013 01:25, schrieb lee:
>>>
From what I've been reading, CentOS isn't upgradeable at all. If that's
true, I'm s
James Hogarth writes:
>>
>> From what I've been reading, CentOS isn't upgradeable at all. If that's
>> true, I'm surprised you're using it.
>>
> The point of using it of course is a stable environment for 7 years or so
> between major upgrades and not for the bleeding edge of software.
And afte
Am 14.07.2013 02:11, schrieb Ranjan Maitra:
> On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 21:48:40 +0200 Reindl Harald
> wrote:
>
>> Am 12.07.2013 21:45, schrieb Paul Smith:
>>> Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released? What
>>> are the main reasons?
>>
&
Am 14.07.2013 01:25, schrieb lee:
> From what I've been reading, CentOS isn't upgradeable at all. If that's
> true, I'm surprised you're using it.
the idea behind a LTS distribution is that you have *10 years*
update-support and stay on exatcly the software versions
which was shipped as you ins
Am 14.07.2013 09:36, schrieb lee:
> Reindl Harald writes:
>
>> Am 14.07.2013 01:25, schrieb lee:
>>> From what I've been reading, CentOS isn't upgradeable at all. If that's
>>> true, I'm surprised you're using it.
>>
>> * you use it if you do not need new features over the lifecycle
>
> For w
Reindl Harald writes:
> Am 14.07.2013 09:36, schrieb lee:
>> Reindl Harald writes:
>>
>>> Am 14.07.2013 01:25, schrieb lee:
From what I've been reading, CentOS isn't upgradeable at all. If that's
true, I'm surprised you're using it.
>>>
>>> * you use it if you do not need new feature
Am 15.07.2013 02:16, schrieb lee:
> Reindl Harald writes:
>>> For which use cases can you predict that you will be fine with the same
>>> software for the next ten years?
>>
>> *business usage*
>
> That's a very general answer. You could as well, and perhaps even more
> likely, use it for a se
On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Hi
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Michael Hennebry
> wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 14 Jul 2013, lee wrote:
>>
>>> Reindl Harald writes:
>>>
Am 14.07.2013 01:25, schrieb lee:
>
> From what I've been reading, CentOS isn't upgra
On Sun, 14 Jul 2013, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Michael Hennebry <
henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote:
Something about which I am ignorant:
Which changes require new releases and which do not.
Would someone be kind enough to give me
examples of each between F14
Hi
On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:
> I get that breaking things should require a new release.
> With that criterion,
> solely adding a new feature should not require a new release.
> Requiring its use would be another matter.
>
Right. Number of features have been intr
Michael Hennebry writes:
> On Sun, 14 Jul 2013, lee wrote:
>> For which use cases can you predict that you will be fine with the same
>> software for the next ten years?
>
> Why were new releases required?
New releases are a means to limit the lifetime of the already existing
ones. This is requ
Reindl Harald writes:
> Am 15.07.2013 02:16, schrieb lee:
>> Reindl Harald writes:
For which use cases can you predict that you will be fine with the same
software for the next ten years?
>>>
>>> *business usage*
>>
>> That's a very general answer. You could as well, and perhaps even
>
> Unless I missed it, nobody has described a particular use case yet in
> which it is obvious that it is good to use CentOS. Upgrading holds its
> risks as well as using software that cannot be upgraded. The future
> cannot be predicted. So how do you make a decision like between using
> Fedor
James Hogarth writes:
>>
>> Unless I missed it, nobody has described a particular use case yet in
>> which it is obvious that it is good to use CentOS. Upgrading holds its
>> risks as well as using software that cannot be upgraded. The future
>> cannot be predicted. So how do you make a decisi
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, lee wrote:
Reindl Harald writes:
mhh thats why so many companies still using WinXP i guess
Maybe there are other reasons for that, like that is isn't upgradable
and/or that it is expensive to switch. It's also possible that other
software they are using works best wit
On 7/15/2013 4:42 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, lee wrote:
>
>> Reindl Harald writes:
>
>>> mhh thats why so many companies still using WinXP i guess
>>
>> Maybe there are other reasons for that, like that is isn't upgradable
>> and/or that it is expensive to switch. It's a
On 07/15/2013 11:55 AM, lee issued this missive:
James Hogarth writes:
Unless I missed it, nobody has described a particular use case yet in
which it is obvious that it is good to use CentOS. Upgrading holds its
risks as well as using software that cannot be upgraded. The future
cannot be p
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, David wrote:
On 7/15/2013 4:42 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:
Is there a particular use case in which it
is obvious that it is good to use RHEL?
You are aware the Red Hat and CentOS are made from Fedora?
'Tis why I asked.
--
Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu
"AN
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, Michael Hennebry wrote:
[snip]
Unless I missed it, nobody has described a particular use case yet in
which it is obvious that it is good to use CentOS. Upgrading holds its
risks as well as using software that cannot be upgraded. The future
cannot be predicted. So how d
On 07/14/2013 12:26 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
On 07/13/2013 11:57 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote:
For me it was the aggravation.
Installing was always a struggle.
I was on F14 when I tried to do a fresh install of F16.
Never got it to work.
I'm
Am 15.07.2013 20:55, schrieb lee:
> James Hogarth writes:
>> Vendors (including pure open source solutions backed by a vendor) will
>> support a long term distribution but not something like fedora where the
>> increase of cost for them to support it due to potentially massive changes
>> every 6
Am 16.07.2013 00:38, schrieb Bill Oliver:
> On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, Michael Hennebry wrote:
>
>> [snip]
>>> Unless I missed it, nobody has described a particular use case yet in
>>> which it is obvious that it is good to use CentOS. Upgrading holds its
>>> risks as well as using software that canno
On 07/15/2013 06:00 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> well, you better would be suited with a company giving you
> remote access to your VM's console over a VPN
A quick plug for Linode, which offers this.
HOWEVER, if it's a server AND it's not just a personal thing, then you
need to justify to your empl
Am 16.07.2013 20:03, schrieb Steven Stern:
> On 07/15/2013 06:00 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> well, you better would be suited with a company giving you
>> remote access to your VM's console over a VPN
>
> A quick plug for Linode, which offers this.
>
> HOWEVER, if it's a server AND it's not jus
Michael Hennebry writes:
>> On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, lee wrote:
> In my case, I found Fedora very expensive to upgrade.
That I can understand --- upgrading twice a year, especially when
it's questionable if the upgrade works --- can be painful, all the more
when you have many machines to upgrade.
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013, lee wrote:
Michael Hennebry writes:
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, lee wrote:
In my case, I found Fedora very expensive to upgrade.
That I can understand --- upgrading twice a year, especially when
it's questionable if the upgrade works --- can be painful, all the more
when yo
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