Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-31 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 09:23:48AM +0100, Andrew Haley wrote: > On 07/31/2013 12:59 AM, jdow wrote: > > Andrew, one thing a woman needs to develop to survive in the technical > > fields is an incredibly thick skin. > > I know, and that's what needs to change or many of the best brains > will conti

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-31 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 07/31/2013 01:59 AM, jdow wrote: Andrew, one thing a woman needs to develop to survive in the technical fields is an incredibly thick skin. I don't see how this "need" is specific to women nor do I see this "thick skin" is gender specic. Conversely, the anonymity of the internet gives room

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-31 Thread Andrew Haley
On 07/31/2013 12:59 AM, jdow wrote: > Andrew, one thing a woman needs to develop to survive in the technical > fields is an incredibly thick skin. I know, and that's what needs to change or many of the best brains will continue to move to jobs where a noisy minority can't get away with being compl

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-30 Thread jdow
On 2013/07/30 02:44, Andrew Haley wrote: On 07/16/2013 06:10 PM, Rex Dieter wrote: Reindl Harald wrote: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.stable/58049/focus%3D1525074 From: Linus Torvalds linux-foundation.org> Linus is in a very special category, and I don't think his justificatio

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-30 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Les Howell > > Working or not working on a project is a personal choice. Your email > client has the option to block someone if you do not like the tone of > their posts. If you do not like the tone of a volunteer group, simply > do not participate. That i

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-30 Thread Les Howell
On Tue, 2013-07-30 at 10:44 +0100, Andrew Haley wrote: > On 07/16/2013 06:10 PM, Rex Dieter wrote: > > Reindl Harald wrote: > > > >> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.stable/58049/focus%3D1525074 > >> > >> From: Linus Torvalds linux-foundation.org> > > > > Linus is in a very special cat

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-30 Thread Andrew Haley
On 07/16/2013 06:10 PM, Rex Dieter wrote: > Reindl Harald wrote: > >> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.stable/58049/focus%3D1525074 >> >> From: Linus Torvalds linux-foundation.org> > > Linus is in a very special category, and I don't think his justifications > can be applied to virtua

Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts (was: a different point of view to "etiquette")

2013-07-23 Thread Richard Shaw
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 08:26:26AM +0200, lee wrote: > > I don't know what the point is in moderating his posts. He does things > > Then you haven't seen his messages that haven't made it through the > moderation queue. I know not all make

Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts (was: a different point of view to "etiquette")

2013-07-18 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Thu, 18 Jul 2013, lee wrote: inode0 writes: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: This is a reply to a reply sent directly to me as well as to the list. Moderation makes a horrible mess of the flow of discussion. Please don't get mad at each other for getting confus

Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts (was: a different point of view to "etiquette")

2013-07-18 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 08:26:26AM +0200, lee wrote: > I don't know what the point is in moderating his posts. He does things Then you haven't seen his messages that haven't made it through the moderation queue. I know not all make it through (CC to inbox). No clue what is in those, I only read t

Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts (was: a different point of view to "etiquette")

2013-07-18 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 08:26:26 +0200, lee wrote: inode0 writes: It's usually considered bad behaviour to send Ccs to the poster when replying to posts on mailing lists. Since Harald's post are moderated, he cannot know whether his posts will get through or not and how long they might be d

please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts (was: a different point of view to "etiquette")

2013-07-17 Thread lee
inode0 writes: > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Michael Hennebry > wrote: >> This is a reply to a reply sent directly to me as well as to the list. > > Moderation makes a horrible mess of the flow of discussion. Please > don't get mad at each other for getting confused by or not noticing > th

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-17 Thread jarmo
Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:20:22 +0200 Reindl Harald kirjoitti: > > that i have a lot of knowledge and don't give too > much to always be the nice guy? Quess not that knowledge about those STRONG swear words, what Linus uses every now and then? That is only difference :D :D. You learn those Finnish S

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-17 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 16 July 2013, Craig White sent: > multiple threads originated by Reindl Harald on the topic of > etiquette? It's how the perpetrator transforms themselves into the victim. And it appears that they've virtually succeeded. -- All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-17 Thread eoconno...@gmail.com
about the LoL's!) - Reply message - From: "Reindl Harald" To: "Community support for Fedora users" Subject: a different point of view to "etiquette" Date: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 3:48 pm Am 17.07.2013 21:43, schrieb Carroll Grigsby: > On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:53:18 -0

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette" (LOL-only posts)

2013-07-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.07.2013 20:53, schrieb Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.: > I have been "watching" these emails pile up and when I open themthey're > just comments and opinions. If there's > is no "knowledge" being dispensed with this thread can it be closed?...or > taken off-list? just a humble request > asked i

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.07.2013 21:43, schrieb Carroll Grigsby: > On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:53:18 -0400 > "Eddie G. O'Connor Jr." wrote: > >>> Big snip > >> I have been "watching" these emails pile up and when I open >> themthey're just comments and opinions. If there's is no >> "knowledge" being dispensed with

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.07.2013 20:53, schrieb Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.: > On 07/17/2013 12:28 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: >> Roger wrote: >>> Thank you Linus and others. >>> As I see it, this discussion has little to do with culture, nations or >>> ideologies and a lot to do with rubbishing another person or their idea

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.07.2013 21:05, schrieb Michael Hennebry: > Sent to RH directly as well as through list. > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2013, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> Am 17.07.2013 17:57, schrieb Michael Hennebry: >>> This is a reply to a reply sent directly to me as well as to the list. >> >> because i only have li

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-17 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 14:53:18 -0400 "Eddie G. O'Connor Jr." wrote: >> Big snip > I have been "watching" these emails pile up and when I open > themthey're just comments and opinions. If there's is no > "knowledge" being dispensed with this thread can it be closed?...or > taken off-list? just

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-17 Thread Michael Hennebry
Sent to RH directly as well as through list. On Wed, 17 Jul 2013, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 17.07.2013 17:57, schrieb Michael Hennebry: This is a reply to a reply sent directly to me as well as to the list. because i only have little understanding in moderation that takes days and makes *a lo

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-17 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 07/17/2013 12:28 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: Roger wrote: Thank you Linus and others. As I see it, this discussion has little to do with culture, nations or ideologies and a lot to do with rubbishing another person or their ideas for what ever reason. We are all equal, some have more knowledg

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.07.2013 17:57, schrieb Michael Hennebry: > This is a reply to a reply sent directly to me as well as to the list. because i only have little understanding in moderation that takes days and makes *a lot* of more damage by destroy any communication as 100 rough messages ever could do > On Tu

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.07.2013 05:28, schrieb Craig White: > On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 15:31 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: >> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.stable/58049/focus%3D1525074 >> >> From: Linus Torvalds linux-foundation.org> >> Subject: Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review >> Newsgroups: gmane.linux

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-17 Thread Reindl Harald
and now you are feeling cool or smart because quote out of context by knowing that the original post comes after your asnwer by moderation? Am 16.07.2013 23:21, schrieb Michael Hennebry: > On Tue, 16 Jul 2013, Reindl Harald wrote: >> Am 16.07.2013 20:47, schrieb Michael Hennebry: > >>> How about

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 16.07.2013 20:47, schrieb Michael Hennebry: > On Tue, 16 Jul 2013, Reindl Harald wrote: >> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.stable/58049/focus%3D1525074 >> >> From: Linus Torvalds linux-foundation.org> >> Subject: Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review >> Newsgroups: gmane.linux.kernel.s

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 16.07.2013 20:40, schrieb Patrick O'Callaghan: > On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 13:22 -0400, Fernando Cassia wrote: >> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Rex Dieter wrote: >>> Linus is in a very special category, and I don't think his justifications >>> can be applied to virtually any one else. Especia

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 16.07.2013 19:10, schrieb Rex Dieter: > Reindl Harald wrote: > >> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.stable/58049/focus%3D1525074 >> >> From: Linus Torvalds linux-foundation.org> > > Linus is in a very special category, and I don't think his justifications > can be applied to virtu

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-17 Thread inode0
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: > This is a reply to a reply sent directly to me as well as to the list. Moderation makes a horrible mess of the flow of discussion. Please don't get mad at each other for getting confused by or not noticing the effect it has. I'm about to

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-17 Thread Michael Hennebry
This is a reply to a reply sent directly to me as well as to the list. On Tue, 16 Jul 2013, Reindl Harald wrote: and now you are feeling cool or smart because quote out of context by knowing that the original post comes after your asnwer by moderation? What context should I have added that I

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-17 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/16/2013 09:43 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: I for one have more problems with people wanting to silence people for "etiquette" reasons, than I have with people being using what some people consider to be rude language. Yes, especially when you consider how much trouble you can get into simp

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-16 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 07/16/2013 07:10 PM, Rex Dieter wrote: Reindl Harald wrote: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.stable/58049/focus%3D1525074 From: Linus Torvalds linux-foundation.org> Linus is in a very special category, Sure. and I don't think his justifications can be applied to virtually an

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-16 Thread Bill Davidsen
Roger wrote: Thank you Linus and others. As I see it, this discussion has little to do with culture, nations or ideologies and a lot to do with rubbishing another person or their ideas for what ever reason. We are all equal, some have more knowledge than others. No Roger, when it comes to desi

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-16 Thread Bill Davidsen
Craig White wrote: On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 15:31 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.stable/58049/focus%3D1525074 From: Linus Torvalds linux-foundation.org> Subject: Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review Newsgroups: gmane.linux.kernel.stable, gmane.linux.kernel Dat

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-16 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 15:31 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.stable/58049/focus%3D1525074 > > From: Linus Torvalds linux-foundation.org> > Subject: Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review > Newsgroups: gmane.linux.kernel.stable, gmane.linux.kernel > Date: 2013-07

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-16 Thread Roger
Thank you Linus and others. As I see it, this discussion has little to do with culture, nations or ideologies and a lot to do with rubbishing another person or their ideas for what ever reason. We are all equal, some have more knowledge than others. Remember the goal. The only game in town is

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-16 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/16/2013 02:21 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: I'm not a great believer in subtlety either. I don't think that it's being subtle to say, "That's probably not a good idea because..." That's just telling somebody why their idea won't work instead of just saying, "Don't do that!" The first

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-16 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 16.07.2013 20:47, schrieb Michael Hennebry: How about "Please don't do that. It won't work because "? besides the fact that people who do not spend one second to search and read docs they are anyways unable to understand a answer with backg

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-16 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013, Reindl Harald wrote: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.stable/58049/focus%3D1525074 From: Linus Torvalds linux-foundation.org> Subject: Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review Newsgroups: gmane.linux.kernel.stable, gmane.linux.kernel Date: 2013-07-15 18:17:06 GMT (19 ho

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-16 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 13:22 -0400, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Rex Dieter wrote: > > Linus is in a very special category, and I don't think his justifications > > can be applied to virtually any one else. Especially, not *here*. > > I support Linus' position. Which

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-16 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Rex Dieter wrote: > Linus is in a very special category, and I don't think his justifications > can be applied to virtually any one else. Especially, not *here*. I support Linus' position. Which is related to my sig file. Sometimes telling the truth and being bl

Re: a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-16 Thread Rex Dieter
Reindl Harald wrote: > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.stable/58049/focus%3D1525074 > > From: Linus Torvalds linux-foundation.org> Linus is in a very special category, and I don't think his justifications can be applied to virtually any one else. Especially, not *here*. -- rex --

a different point of view to "etiquette"

2013-07-16 Thread Reindl Harald
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.stable/58049/focus%3D1525074 From: Linus Torvalds linux-foundation.org> Subject: Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review Newsgroups: gmane.linux.kernel.stable, gmane.linux.kernel Date: 2013-07-15 18:17:06 GMT (19 hours and 12 minutes ago) On Mon, Jul 15, 201