Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

2022-02-25 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2022-02-25 at 07:09 -0600, Richard Shaw wrote: > > I also use Gmail, but for list messages I access it through > > Evolution. > > The Gmail web interface and apps are not good with mailing lists, > > but > > you don't have to live with that. > > > > I've used Gmail exclusively for all the

Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

2022-02-25 Thread George N. White III
On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 at 08:00, Neal Becker wrote: > Endgame: > > So now the system is running from the sata ssd drive, but the nvme ssd is > plugged into the M.2->pcie adapter with the failed ssd now working again. > So I ask, what's the difference in speed between the nvme ssd plugged > into the

Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

2022-02-25 Thread Tim via users
On Fri, 2022-02-25 at 06:59 -0500, Neal Becker wrote: > Oh, look at that! Just as I suspected, the nvme controller fails > when heavily used. The thing that surprised me is that I would have > thought the nvme controller which just went down would have been on > the pcie interface card. But now

Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

2022-02-25 Thread Tim via users
On Fri, 2022-02-25 at 12:19 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > (And since you mention it, you didn't quote anything in your last > message, which is not really recommended either). Better that, than the mass quoting. Another option is just word your reply so it makes sense on its own. -- una

Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

2022-02-25 Thread Richard Shaw
On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 6:20 AM Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Fri, 2022-02-25 at 06:59 -0500, Neal Becker wrote: > > Sorry for the top posting and excessive quoting: I've given up on > > running my own mail server and am using gmail, which makes it too > > easy to follow bad habits. > > I also

Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

2022-02-25 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2022-02-25 at 06:59 -0500, Neal Becker wrote: > Sorry for the top posting and excessive quoting: I've given up on > running my own mail server and am using gmail, which makes it too > easy to follow bad habits. I also use Gmail, but for list messages I access it through Evolution. The Gmai

Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

2022-02-25 Thread Neal Becker
Endgame: So now the system is running from the sata ssd drive, but the nvme ssd is plugged into the M.2->pcie adapter with the failed ssd now working again. So I ask, what's the difference in speed between the nvme ssd plugged into the pcie and the sata? I run bonnie++ on the nvme and then: Feb 2

Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

2022-02-24 Thread Tim via users
On Thu, 2022-02-24 at 11:26 -0500, Fulko Hew wrote: > And not related... I've have a keyboard go wonky in my Dell laptop > ever since I stressed it out running Folding @ Home for a year. > It was running ... hot... and the thermal stress has caused a > permanent, intermittent flakiness. Not too su

Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

2022-02-24 Thread Tim via users
On Thu, 2022-02-24 at 12:55 -0400, George N. White III wrote: > It makes we wonder if the drive doesn't have whoops mode where it > reinstalls firmware and rescans the drive to get its own internal > mapping into a consistent state. I assume vendors try to design > this (if it even is a real thing

Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

2022-02-24 Thread George N. White III
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 at 09:07, Tim via users wrote: > On Thu, 2022-02-24 at 07:42 -0500, Neal Becker wrote: > > Well the fact that the failed ssd is working again tells me it wasn't > > zapped by static or power transients. The comment about taking a > > long time for the ssd to reorganize itself

Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

2022-02-24 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2022-02-25 at 02:35 +1030, Tim via users wrote: > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > * It would be good if people replying did not quote the entire  * > * prior message, especially all the bits that have absolutely   * > * nothing to do with the reply that t

Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

2022-02-24 Thread Fulko Hew
And not related... I've have a keyboard go wonky in my Dell laptop ever since I stressed it out running Folding @ Home for a year. It was running ... hot... and the thermal stress has caused a permanent, intermittent flakiness. ___ users mailing list -- u

Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

2022-02-24 Thread Tim via users
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * It would be good if people replying did not quote the entire * * prior message, especially all the bits that have absolutely * * nothing to do with the reply that they're writing.* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

2022-02-24 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 10:35:11 -0500 John Mellor wrote: > I finally threw the machine out Yep. I had a cursed computer that something different broke on every few days. I eventually dumped it in the recycle bin at the local electronics recycling place and built a whole new system. It was impossible

Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

2022-02-24 Thread John Mellor
On 2022-02-24 10:21, Roger Heflin wrote: Did you fully pull power and/or turn off power at the power supply prior to installing the sata drive? Ie was the sata drive install the first time the machine was actually off and not just quickly rebooted/reset? If that was the first full power off it

Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

2022-02-24 Thread Roger Heflin
Did you fully pull power and/or turn off power at the power supply prior to installing the sata drive? Ie was the sata drive install the first time the machine was actually off and not just quickly rebooted/reset? If that was the first full power off it would be likely that the drive was in some

Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

2022-02-24 Thread Tim via users
On Thu, 2022-02-24 at 07:42 -0500, Neal Becker wrote: > Well the fact that the failed ssd is working again tells me it wasn't > zapped by static or power transients. The comment about taking a > long time for the ssd to reorganize itself is interesting, but here > it failed 1 day, and I went to fi

Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

2022-02-24 Thread Neal Becker
Well the fact that the failed ssd is working again tells me it wasn't zapped by static or power transients. The comment about taking a long time for the ssd to reorganize itself is interesting, but here it failed 1 day, and I went to fix it the next day, where it still was not detected by F35 live

Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

2022-02-23 Thread Tim via users
On Wed, 2022-02-23 at 10:41 -0400, George N. White III wrote: > I used to add surge protection to power bars. We had a tree fall on > the cable coax that they had installed without a proper anchor, just > a zip tie to the mast for the AC power. The mast was pulled off the > house, which meant the

Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

2022-02-23 Thread Tim via users
On Tue, 2022-02-22 at 08:34 -0500, Neal Becker wrote: > I replaced the SSD with a samsung 980 pro. Reinstalled fedora. It > then worked a few weeks, then the exact same symptoms. Rinse, lather, repeat... A thought just occurred to me, did you take proper (*) anti-static precautions when handlin

Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

2022-02-23 Thread George N. White III
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 at 12:20, Neal Becker wrote: > OK, status update. > > 1. The workstation is located in a offices of a large satellite ISP. > Clean power is probably not an issue. > > 2. Attempt to reboot machine. BIOS boot options does not show the M.2 SSD > existing. > > 3. Boot F35 from US

Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

2022-02-23 Thread Neal Becker
OK, status update. 1. The workstation is located in a offices of a large satellite ISP. Clean power is probably not an issue. 2. Attempt to reboot machine. BIOS boot options does not show the M.2 SSD existing. 3. Boot F35 from USB live. Go to install to disk. SSD is not shown as an option fo

Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

2022-02-23 Thread George N. White III
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 at 06:49, Tim via users wrote: > On Tue, 2022-02-22 at 12:21 -0500, Go Canes wrote: > > If it was just erasing the partition table the drive would still be > > visible using lsblk, and you could re-partition it with fdisk, etc. > > I do wonder if the devices were ruined, or ju

Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

2022-02-23 Thread Tim via users
On Tue, 2022-02-22 at 12:21 -0500, Go Canes wrote: > If it was just erasing the partition table the drive would still be > visible using lsblk, and you could re-partition it with fdisk, etc. I do wonder if the devices were ruined, or just had their data scrambled? Neal didn't say whether he'd tri

Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

2022-02-23 Thread Tim via users
On Tue, 2022-02-22 at 10:31 -0600, Roger Heflin wrote: > I have a wind meter on my roof hooked to a device that counts it's > rotations, and that serial port device would randomly stop working > requiring a reset of the usb-to-serial communication to get it to > function again (I had a cron job to

Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

2022-02-22 Thread Go Canes
On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 11:19 AM Neal Becker wrote: > [...] e.g. erasing the partition table on the drive (I don't have another > machine handy to verify this), [...] If it was just erasing the partition table the drive would still be visible using lsblk, and you could re-partition it with fdisk

Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

2022-02-22 Thread Roger Heflin
The 2 crucial bx drives I was losing, I replaced with an older smaller mx drive and that one has been working just fine for a couple of months, thinking about my issue and Neal's issue here is what springs to mind. So in my case, if mine was a power supply issue, it would have to be that something

Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

2022-02-22 Thread Neal Becker
Well I suspected the PS, but the guy I spoke with at Titan said some other things would fail before the SSD if that was the problem. The power should be pretty stable, and I did connect to a good transient suppressor strip. Anyway there was no lightning when it died, which was in the past 24 hour

Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

2022-02-22 Thread George N. White III
On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 at 10:04, Neal Becker wrote: > Thanks Richard. Yes, I talked with Titan; they suggested trying the > pcie-m.2 adapter. I will try them again. > I have not checked for bios updates. Not sure how to go about that (last > time I did that it required an msdos floppy disc). > >

Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

2022-02-22 Thread Roger Heflin
By dead you mean it just quits answering on the bus at all? I had a recent crucial 2TB SSD issue. The first one failed in under 10 days, I got a replacement and the 2nd one pretty much did the same thing at about the same time so, I returned it for a refund. It makes me think that whatever is go

Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

2022-02-22 Thread Neal Becker
Thanks Richard. Yes, I talked with Titan; they suggested trying the pcie-m.2 adapter. I will try them again. I have not checked for bios updates. Not sure how to go about that (last time I did that it required an msdos floppy disc). Haven't tried the SSDs in another device because I don't have

Re: ssd keeps dying (OT)

2022-02-22 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 7:34 AM Neal Becker wrote: > I know this is a bit OT, but you guys are great at answering all questions. > > I bought a workstation from Titan computers around 1/2020 (dual EPYC > cpu). After about 1 year it stopped working. I could ssh to it, and > almost any command wo

ssd keeps dying (OT)

2022-02-22 Thread Neal Becker
I know this is a bit OT, but you guys are great at answering all questions. I bought a workstation from Titan computers around 1/2020 (dual EPYC cpu). After about 1 year it stopped working. I could ssh to it, and almost any command would return Input/Output error. Unfortunately journalctl gave i

Re: ssd keeps dying??

2022-01-17 Thread Roger Heflin
On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 6:11 PM George N. White III wrote: > > On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 at 16:32, Neal Becker wrote: >> >> Well I guess I can try reseating it, good idea. >> Unfortunately this server is remote from me, so might as well collect ideas >> before driving over. > > > Have you seen: Fix yo

Re: ssd keeps dying??

2022-01-16 Thread Tim via users
On Sun, 2022-01-16 at 13:44 -0500, Neal Becker wrote: > I've had a workstation (dual amd rome) for about 2 years. The M2 ssd > died after about 1 year. I replaced it with a samsung 980 pro, which > then lasted almost 1 more year. Then I replaced it with a 1TB > samsung 980 pro, this time with he

Re: ssd keeps dying??

2022-01-16 Thread George N. White III
On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 at 16:32, Neal Becker wrote: > Well I guess I can try reseating it, good idea. > Unfortunately this server is remote from me, so might as well collect > ideas before driving over. > Have you seen: Fix your dead SSD with the power cycle method - The Silicon Underground (dfarq.

Re: ssd keeps dying??

2022-01-16 Thread Neal Becker
Well I guess I can try reseating it, good idea. Unfortunately this server is remote from me, so might as well collect ideas before driving over. On Sun, Jan 16, 2022, 3:00 PM Joe Zeff wrote: > On 1/16/22 11:44 AM, Neal Becker wrote: > > Now it's dead again. I can ssh to the machine. I can cat

Re: ssd keeps dying??

2022-01-16 Thread Joe Zeff
On 1/16/22 11:44 AM, Neal Becker wrote: Now it's dead again.  I can ssh to the machine.  I can cat /proc/partitions and no nvme shown.  I can only issue a couple of commands (I guess whatever is builtin to bash?), but almost all just give I/O error.  no sudo or journatctl. I presume that yo

ssd keeps dying??

2022-01-16 Thread Neal Becker
I've had a workstation (dual amd rome) for about 2 years. The M2 ssd died after about 1 year. I replaced it with a samsung 980 pro, which then lasted almost 1 more year. Then I replaced it with a 1TB samsung 980 pro, this time with heat sink. This lasted a few weeks. I had been looking at smar