Re: [IronPython] VS Support/Intelllisense for IronPython

2009-06-11 Thread Davy Mitchell
Just to say if any project makes use of SyntaxBox component then keep in mind it is not being developed by the author as far as I can tell and not 100% documented. In fact DIE uses a modified version with a few minor changes (really should upload that source). That said it is pretty good and should

Re: [IronPython] [Python.NET] Reasons to use ironpython

2009-06-11 Thread Howland-Rose, Kyle
Hi Matthew, Where I have worked in the past, the argument for Python has been productivity. I don't recall the numbers quoted back then but I am an infrequent user of Python and a frequent user of VB (C# is not used here) and Python is easily twice as fast as VB for me to develop with. Regards,

Re: [IronPython] VS Support/Intelllisense for IronPython

2009-06-11 Thread Adam Brand
We could probably wrangle a few people together for it from the list…could anyone over on the DLR team PM it or help with initial architectural support? I volunteer myself to help…probably with the specs/docs and testing as I’m not a hardcore developer. Any volunteers to help with the dev sid

Re: [IronPython] VS Support/Intelllisense for IronPython

2009-06-11 Thread Oleg Tkachenko
It's IPy 1.X and it's basically VS integration sample hence as you can imagine it's more focused on integration aspects, not on tool quality. I wish it was an open source project driven by the community... -- Oleg From: users-boun...@lists.ironpython.com [mailto:users-boun...@lists.ironpython.co

Re: [IronPython] VS Support/Intelllisense for IronPython

2009-06-11 Thread Michael Foord
Brian Curtin wrote: IronPython Studio is abandonware. The forms editor seemed nice at first, but minor changes to the source it generated caused the forms editor to no longer render what the form should look like ever again (in my experience). I believe this was more of a showcase of the VS S

Re: [IronPython] VS Support/Intelllisense for IronPython

2009-06-11 Thread Brian Curtin
IronPython Studio is abandonware. The forms editor seemed nice at first, but minor changes to the source it generated caused the forms editor to no longer render what the form should look like ever again (in my experience). I believe this was more of a showcase of the VS SDK than a tool you can le

Re: [IronPython] VS Support/Intelllisense for IronPython

2009-06-11 Thread Michael Foord
Justin Regele wrote: actually, didn't quite do what i thought, now that I tested after I posted (doh!) if you remove the '.__doc__' from the print, then yes you can actually see the attributes. the problem with the doc strings here is that they are all the same. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:12

Re: [IronPython] VS Support/Intelllisense for IronPython

2009-06-11 Thread Justin Regele
actually, didn't quite do what i thought, now that I tested after I posted (doh!) if you remove the '.__doc__' from the print, then yes you can actually see the attributes. the problem with the doc strings here is that they are all the same. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Justin Regele wrote:

Re: [IronPython] VS Support/Intelllisense for IronPython

2009-06-11 Thread Adam Brand
Ah…I didn’t know about IronPython Studio ( http://ironpythonstudio.codeplex.com/Release/ProjectReleases.aspx?ReleaseId=8934 ). …it seems fairly thorough. What happened to that project? What are its main limitations? Adam Adam Brand SilverKey Technologies *From:* users-boun...@lists.ir

Re: [IronPython] VS Support/Intelllisense for IronPython

2009-06-11 Thread Justin Regele
Could the intellisense be written in IronPython itself? Given pythons reflective nature, this could be very easy, and then the community could re-write how it behaves to suit wha they want. open up the console and do this #make a list, or whatever x=[] for attr in dir(x): print attr.__doc__

Re: [IronPython] VS Support/Intelllisense for IronPython

2009-06-11 Thread Oleg Tkachenko
This is totally can be done by the community + maybe some help from Dino if you hit any IPy issues. The VS interfaces are open and VS SDK includes IPy integration sample that contains simple intellisense implementation. -- Oleg From: users-boun...@lists.ironpython.com [mailto:users-boun...@lis

Re: [IronPython] VS Support/Intelllisense for IronPython

2009-06-11 Thread Adam Brand
Is adding Intellisense for IPY to VS something that can be done by the community, or does it require access to source code that we can’t access? I’m not familiar with the extent to which VS can be customized for languages. Thanks, Adam Adam Brand SilverKey Technologies *From:* users-b

Re: [IronPython] __objclass__

2009-06-11 Thread Michael Foord
Seo Sanghyeon wrote: 2009/6/10 Michael Foord : All .NET classes used from IronPython have an __objclass__ attribute on their methods / members. This is *really* useful for introspection - can I rely on it staying or is it an implementation detail that may change? Since this is also a C

Re: [IronPython] Need for third-party embeddable Iron Python Editor

2009-06-11 Thread Douglas S. Blank
Marty, You'll find a few little projects that revolve around a DLR editor, including: 1) http://www.codeplex.com/IronEditor - last edited Jul 2008 2) http://codeplex.com/DlrPad - last edited Nov 2007 There were a group of us, largely from this mailing list, who discussed issues for such an edi

Re: [IronPython] VS Support/Intelllisense for IronPython

2009-06-11 Thread Justin Regele
I'd like to know why VS constantly botches my code. I turned off auto-complete, but it still manages to insert hidden nasties that make me re-write entire functions that are perfectly valid. Has anyone else had this problem, where VS claims your blocks are not spaced equally? It normally happens wh

Re: [IronPython] VS Support/Intelllisense for IronPython

2009-06-11 Thread Dino Viehland
We've made some attempts in the past (e.g. IronPython Studio) but there's no longer any active development for intellisense. From: users-boun...@lists.ironpython.com [mailto:users-boun...@lists.ironpython.com] On Behalf Of Adam Brand Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 7:35 AM To: Discussion of IronPy

Re: [IronPython] Need for third-party embeddable Iron Python Editor

2009-06-11 Thread Marty Nelson
Thanks, I'll check those out. I guess I'm use to a higher level of ISV support from Microsoft around these kinds of tooling issues J. Using IronPython (and DLR generally) for application extensibility is very compelling for .NET apps. I think that this issue is going to come up again and a

Re: [IronPython] Need for third-party embeddable Iron Python Editor

2009-06-11 Thread Brian Curtin
Check out http://code.google.com/p/davysironpythoneditor/ I haven't used this, but it might be worth a shot. Works with 2.0 and the 2.6 beta. Michael Foord has also done work to get some nifty IronPython functionality working in the Wing IDE, which might be worth looking at if you have Wing licens

Re: [IronPython] Embedding IronPython and calling python functions from C#

2009-06-11 Thread Lepisto, Stephen P
What I do when I want to work with python modules from embedded IronPython is set the IronPython search path with the path of the module to load then create and execute a small python script that loads the main python modules into the current scope. string moduleName = Path.GetFileName(moduleP

[IronPython] Need for third-party embeddable Iron Python Editor

2009-06-11 Thread Marty Nelson
What is that state of a prebuilt Python Editor? My understanding is that there are bits and pieces, and stuff that was never brought up to 2.x, but nothing comprehensive currently exists. Maybe I just don't know what is available (anything in Visual Studio we could use via VSIP?) For those o

Re: [IronPython] Embedding IronPython and calling python functions from C#

2009-06-11 Thread Dody Gunawinata
You can read all yours file scripts, then using StringBuilder to combine then and call CreateScriptSourceFromString()Then you can call your functions within the combined scripts normally. Pretty much you are creating a giant source code on the fly. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Patrick van der

[IronPython] VS Support/Intelllisense for IronPython

2009-06-11 Thread Adam Brand
I was wondering if there is any ongoing development to support Intellisense with IronPython in Visual Studio. Can someone from the team comment on this? Thanks, Adam ___ Users mailing list Users@lists.ironpython.com http://lists.ironpython.com/list

[IronPython] Embedding IronPython and calling python functions from C#

2009-06-11 Thread Patrick van der Willik
I'm currently attempting to embed the IronPython 2 runtimes into an existing application written in C#. However, I find the amount of documentation lacking on what I'm trying to do. I currently have a proof-of-concept version which uses Lua and LuaInterface, but the people who have to write the

Re: [IronPython] [Python.NET] Reasons to use ironpython

2009-06-11 Thread Michael Foord
Hello Matthew, Why send an email about IronPython to the Python.NET mailing list? (Sorry for multiple replies by the way - my client went bat-crazy on me.) Both Python and C# are 'general purpose' programming langugages suited to a wide range of problem domains. Choice of programming language