Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap

2008-07-25 Thread Michael Foord
Curt Hagenlocher wrote: On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Michael Foord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At Resolver Systems we've used the DllImport attribute extensively. If we had a good ctypes/native interop mechanism, would it take care of that? Yep. :-) Thanks Michae; In my o

Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap

2008-07-25 Thread Curt Hagenlocher
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Michael Foord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > At Resolver Systems we've used the DllImport attribute extensively. If we had a good ctypes/native interop mechanism, would it take care of that? > In my own projects I've used the Silverlight Scriptable attribute seve

Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap

2008-07-25 Thread Michael Foord
So I think, actually, that this could be done without changing much if any external API. They'd probably need to change some of the internals to return dynamic variants of the info types, but I think that's doable. ____________ From: [E

Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap

2008-07-23 Thread Dino Viehland
of IronPython; Discussion of IronPython Subject: Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap I can answer both in one: To be able to use IronPython to create data classes, marked up with attributes, to be consumed by APIs probably written in something other than IronPython. That's it..

Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap

2008-07-23 Thread Keith J. Farmer
nPython Subject: Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap So, we had a brief hallway discussion today about this topic, and the upshot is that I'm interested in hearing your "real world" use cases for a) attributes, and b) static type generation in general By "use case

Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap

2008-07-23 Thread Keith J. Farmer
D] on behalf of Curt Hagenlocher Sent: Wed 7/23/2008 4:39 PM To: Discussion of IronPython Subject: Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap So, we had a brief hallway discussion today about this topic, and the upshot is that I'm interested in hearing your "real world" use cases for

Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap

2008-07-23 Thread Curt Hagenlocher
eder/dotnet/Default.aspx?Target=code://mscorlib:2.0.0.0:b77a5c561934e089/System.Boolean> > inherit); > } > > > So I think, actually, that this could be done without changing much if any > external API. They'd probably need to change some of the internals to > return dynam

Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap

2008-07-21 Thread Keith J. Farmer
to change some of the internals to return dynamic variants of the info types, but I think that's doable. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Harry Pierson Sent: Mon 7/21/2008 12:59 PM To: Discussion of IronPython Subject: Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0

Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap

2008-07-21 Thread Harry Pierson
mentions below. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Foord Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 12:48 PM To: Discussion of IronPython Subject: Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap Keith J. Farmer wrote: > Attributes can be applied

Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap

2008-07-21 Thread Michael Foord
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Curt Hagenlocher *Sent:* Mon 7/21/2008 9:51 AM *To:* Discussion of IronPython *Subject:* Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap "Availability of a static type" not because IronPython would need to access one but because it would need

Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap

2008-07-21 Thread Keith J. Farmer
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harry Pierson Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:14 PM To: Discussion of IronPython Subject: Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap Can you give me some examples where you would use these?

Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap

2008-07-21 Thread Curt Hagenlocher
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harry Pierson > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:14 PM > To: Discussion of IronPython > Subject: Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap > > Can you give me some examples where you would use these? The problem I see &

Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap

2008-07-21 Thread Keith J. Farmer
om: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harry Pierson Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:14 PM To: Discussion of IronPython Subject: Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap Can you give me some examples where you would use these? The problem I see is that many scenarios (WCF cont

Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap

2008-07-20 Thread Harry Pierson
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith J. Farmer Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 8:13 PM To: Discussion of IronPython Subject: Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap votes++ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Foord Sent

Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap

2008-07-20 Thread Keith J. Farmer
.NET 3.5 "extension". From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dody Gunawinata Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 6:26 AM To: Discussion of IronPython Subject: Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap I was thinking more in the line of being able to use Python class

Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap

2008-07-20 Thread Sanghyeon Seo
2008/7/20 Dody Gunawinata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I was thinking more in the line of being able to use Python classes directly > from C#. But again, this has nothing to do with the Python language in the > first place. I think that would be the feature of C#. -- Seo Sanghyeon

Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap

2008-07-20 Thread Dody Gunawinata
. Though that's arguably a > DLR-level issue. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith J. Farmer > Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 8:13 PM > To: Discussion of IronPython > Subject: Re: [IronPython]

Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap

2008-07-19 Thread Keith J. Farmer
ython Post 2.0 Roadmap votes++ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Foord Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 10:38 AM To: Discussion of IronPython Subject: Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap Sanghyeon Seo wrote: > 2008/7/20 Harry

Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap

2008-07-19 Thread Keith J. Farmer
votes++ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Foord Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 10:38 AM To: Discussion of IronPython Subject: Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap Sanghyeon Seo wrote: > 2008/7/20 Harry Pierson <

Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap

2008-07-19 Thread Michael Foord
Sanghyeon Seo wrote: 2008/7/20 Harry Pierson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Hosting features are all done via the DLR, so that's a separate team. As for "ability to interact with the rest of the .Net framework", can you be more specific about what you're looking for in that space? What *isn't* IPy doin

Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap

2008-07-19 Thread Sanghyeon Seo
2008/7/20 Harry Pierson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hosting features are all done via the DLR, so that's a separate team. As for > "ability to interact with the rest of the .Net framework", can you be more > specific about what you're looking for in that space? What *isn't* IPy doing > that you want it

Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap

2008-07-19 Thread Harry Pierson
as are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats." - Howard Aiken<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Aiken> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dody Gunawinata Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 12:56 AM To: Discussion of IronPytho

Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap

2008-07-19 Thread Dody Gunawinata
For me, the main strength of IronPython is its hosting API and the simplicity of the Python language. It's pretty amazing on what combination of C# and IronPython hosting API can do - we use it from running business rules table, sending python command in a game project and powering our CMS. In our

Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap

2008-07-18 Thread Dan Eloff
> There is a fair possibility that the 'community' will prefer Python 2 for > several years (3-4 guesstimate). > > Michael > I would guess it will take less time for IronPython, because most of the libraries don't work in ipy anyway. There's fewer things to hold you back at the 2 level. If IronPyt

Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap

2008-07-18 Thread Michael Foord
Curt Hagenlocher wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Michael Foord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: One question. When IronPython 3 is started, targeting CPython 3.0, will you actively maintain IronPython 2 and IronPython 3 in parallel? I think it's fair to say that this will be driven

Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap

2008-07-18 Thread Curt Hagenlocher
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Michael Foord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > One question. When IronPython 3 is started, targeting CPython 3.0, will you > actively > maintain IronPython 2 and IronPython 3 in parallel? I think it's fair to say that this will be driven mostly by the needs of our c

Re: [IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap

2008-07-17 Thread Michael Foord
Hi Harry - nice write-up, thanks! It's great to hear about the way you guys see IronPython developing in the future. My comment on Twitter wasn't really aimed at you - I was hoping to prod Dino, Martin or Sri into blogging more! One question. When IronPython 3 is started, targeting CPython 3.

[IronPython] IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap

2008-07-16 Thread Harry Pierson
Posted to my blog @ http://devhawk.net/2008/07/17/IronPython+Post+20+Roadmap.aspx but reproduced below for your convenience. IronPython Post 2.0 Roadmap Michael Foord (aka voidspace) twittered that "None of the IronPython team can get it together to blog regularly, except @jschementi of cour