Re: [users] Re: OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread Dotan Cohen
You might start here: http://www.robweir.com/blog/2009/05/update-on-odf-spreadsheet.html For which I counter, right there in the comments: http://blogs.gnome.org/mortenw/2005/06/16/opendocument-for-spreadsheets/ Here's another link: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2009050712493241

[users] Re: OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2009/05/06 3:38 PM Harold Fuchs wrote: Thought this might be of interest even if OT. This thread, which has nothing to do with giving support to users is now 57 posts long. No wonder people complain about the number of emails they receive from this list. Shouldn't this type of discussion

Re: [users] Re: OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread M. Fioretti
On Fri, May 08, 2009 13:46:49 PM -0600, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2009/05/06 3:38 PM Harold Fuchs wrote: Thought this might be of interest even if OT. This thread, which has nothing to do with giving support to users is now 57 posts long. this thread is about the real, main reason to use OOo

Re: [users] Re: OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread Richard Detwiler
Larry Gusaas wrote: This thread, which has nothing to do with giving support to users is now 57 posts long. No wonder people complain about the number of emails they receive from this list. Shouldn't this type of discussion take place on the discuss list disc...@openoffice.org or even on the

[users] Re: OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2009/05/08 1:52 PM M. Fioretti wrote: this thread is about the real, main reason to use OOo (=ODF) and advocate its adoption by public administrations. Explaining it may very well be the best support we could give to new users. And that discussion should be on the discuss list. See

Re: [users] Re: OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread bobalethaking
Did you write to volunteer to help me with my problem? Last night I downloaded and installed OpenOffice 3.1. Now I have a mess! I can't open it, I can't repair it, and I can't uninstall it! Please Help Me!! Bob King Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2009/05/08 1:52 PM M. Fioretti wrote: this thread

[users] Re: OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-08 Thread H.S.
Dotan Cohen wrote: Yes, what we are all missing. An unambiguous FOSS document file format. hmm .. sorry for jumping in to this thread. Have been following the ambiguity in ODF 1.0 and 1.1 and how MSO exploited to do their own extending. I think what others are trying to argue about is, if I

[users] Re: OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-07 Thread Gordon
Lars Noodén wrote: Again, MS fails to support the standard. Furthermore, if people wasted money on MSO 2007 then they won't ever be able to use ODF because the ODF plugin works only with earlier versions: No it doesn't - it works perfectly well with Office 2007 Quote from the Sun ODF

[users] Re: OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-07 Thread Gordon
Dotan Cohen wrote: Note that rendering in MSO-fashion need not break existing documents. But it does. Open an ods workbook in Excel 2007 and all the formulae are changed to values. What's the point of that? - To

Re: [users] Re: OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-07 Thread James Knott
Gordon wrote: Lars Noodén wrote: Again, MS fails to support the standard. Furthermore, if people wasted money on MSO 2007 then they won't ever be able to use ODF because the ODF plugin works only with earlier versions: No it doesn't - it works perfectly well with Office

[users] Re: OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-07 Thread Gordon
James Knott wrote: Gordon wrote: Lars Noodén wrote: Again, MS fails to support the standard. Furthermore, if people wasted money on MSO 2007 then they won't ever be able to use ODF because the ODF plugin works only with earlier versions: No it doesn't - it works perfectly well

Re: [users] Re: OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-07 Thread James Knott
Gordon wrote: I can't see any option to disable the MS odf support, and even with installing the Sun plugin, the formulae problem is still there... Well, that's one more reason to use OpenOffice. It can read the latest MS files and still work properly with ODF. -- Use OpenOffice.org

Re: [users] Re: OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-07 Thread Web Kracked
Gordon wrote: Lars Noodén wrote: Again, MS fails to support the standard. Furthermore, if people wasted money on MSO 2007 then they won't ever be able to use ODF because the ODF plugin works only with earlier versions: No it doesn't - it works perfectly well with Office 2007 Quote

Re: [users] Re: OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-07 Thread Dotan Cohen
So my experience is that even though Sun's people and product volunteers have done their best to give the world a way for MS Word to read and write .odt, its just a stop-gap till MS finally gets their backsides in gear and support ODF properly and completely. MSO now supports ODF properly

Re: [users] Re: OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-07 Thread Javier Rivera
Dotan Cohen wrote: MSO now supports ODF properly and completely. Just differently than OOo. I can't follow you. As far as I know, MS has choose to use their own namespace for the formulas in a .ods file instead of using the namespace recommended in the ODF 1.2 specification (still

Re: [users] Re: OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-07 Thread Dotan Cohen
As far as I know, MS has choose to use their own namespace for the formulas in a .ods file instead of using the namespace recommended in the ODF 1.2 specification (still in-progress). Can you provide a link where this is discussed in depth? This sounds like non-standard behaviour, which of

Re: [users] Re: OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-07 Thread James Knott
Dotan Cohen wrote: As far as I know, MS has choose to use their own namespace for the formulas in a .ods file instead of using the namespace recommended in the ODF 1.2 specification (still in-progress). Can you provide a link where this is discussed in depth? This sounds like

Re: [users] Re: OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-07 Thread James Knott
James Knott wrote: Dotan Cohen wrote: As far as I know, MS has choose to use their own namespace for the formulas in a .ods file instead of using the namespace recommended in the ODF 1.2 specification (still in-progress). Can you provide a link where this is discussed in

Re: [users] Re: OT: MS Support for ODF [Fwd: OpenOffice.org Ninja]

2009-05-07 Thread James Knott
James Knott wrote: James Knott wrote: Dotan Cohen wrote: As far as I know, MS has choose to use their own namespace for the formulas in a .ods file instead of using the namespace recommended in the ODF 1.2 specification (still in-progress). Can you