On Wednesday 11 June 2008, Gene Heskett wrote:
And here is another of my replies that has sat in the inbox someplace for 4
days
& change between leaving my machine and actually getting to the list.
Whats with the delays?
>On Wednesday 11 June 2008, Harold Fuchs wrote:
>>2008/6/11 Dotan Cohen <
Gene Heskett wrote:
I made exactly that threat to the bank I've used for the last 20 years when they
updated their front page 5 years ago and it wouldn't show me a login button
because they had put a bunch of ActiveX crap on it.
Fortunately, I've never had that sort of problem with my bank. The
On Wednesday 11 June 2008, Harold Fuchs wrote:
>2008/6/11 Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> 2008/6/11 Harold Fuchs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> > My wife's bank runs an internet
>> > banking scheme that will *only* work with Internet Explorer. We have
>>
>> tried
>>
>> > complaining but ...
>>
>> So s
2008/6/12 Harold Fuchs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> Or a Linksys WPC54G PCMCIA wireless network card?
>>
>> Have you written to Linksys? I'll write to them, and I suggest that
>> you do the same. The more letters they get, the more serious they will
>> take Linux.
>
> No. I personally don't consider it
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Harold Fuchs wrote:
> Huh??? How can the existence of an emulator [or is it a simulator? Please,
> let's not go there] for Windows prove that Windows is less well equipped to
> provide solutions?
Emulators are "quick fixes" that enable market leaders to migrate
On Thursday 12 June 2008 23:08:29 Harold Fuchs wrote:
> The thing that really might help Linux's cause is new machines like the
> Asus Eee PC and the Elonex ONE (and several others) that are miniature
> laptops with Linux and some mass market applications pre-installed.
Not to mention the desk-top
On 12/06/2008 00:54, jonathon wrote:
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 2:32 AM, Harold Fuchs wrote:
very idea that such a thing is needed proves beyond reasonable doubt that Linux
isn't ready for the real world.
Alternatively, it is proof that FLOSS is better equipped at providing
solutions -
On 11 Jun 2008 at 23:10, Harold Fuchs wrote:
...
> > Have you written to Linksys? I'll write to them, and I suggest that
> > you do the same. The more letters they get, the more serious they will
> > take Linux.
> >
> >
> No. I personally don't consider it worth the time.
I sympathize entirely,
Jerry Feldman wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:37:19 -0700
John Boyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
As soon as there is a viable voice dictation
program available, I am out of here, but until then I will continue to
use XP,
While this might not be a good solution, Dragon Naturally Speakin
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 2:32 AM, Harold Fuchs wrote:
>very idea that such a thing is needed proves beyond reasonable doubt that
>Linux isn't ready for the real world.
Alternatively, it is proof that FLOSS is better equipped at providing
solutions --- both short term and long term --- than propr
On 11/06/2008 20:36, Dotan Cohen wrote:
2008/6/11 Harold Fuchs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
So switch banks. I did, and I let them know why. I also let the new
bank know why I moved to their services.
Don't be ridiculous. That really is cutting of one's nose to spite one's
face. Or you are *
On 11/06/2008 20:35, Dotan Cohen wrote:
2008/6/11 Harold Fuchs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Which gadgets and peripherals, specifically? I'd like to write to the
manufacturers and request support.
Well, for example, an HP Scanjet 3770 with ReadIris Pro 9 OCR software that
scans into MS
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:37:19 -0700
John Boyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As soon as there is a viable voice dictation
> program available, I am out of here, but until then I will continue to
> use XP,
While this might not be a good solution, Dragon Naturally Speaking has
been running on Linu
James wrote:
On Wed, June 11, 2008 3:42 pm, John Boyle wrote:
Jerry Feldman wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:32:35 -0700
jonathon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 5:28 AM, ccornell - OpenOffice.org wrote:
I say only because when in the last 20 yea
jonathon wrote:
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 1:47 AM, Harold Fuchs wrote:
None of them came with anything for Linux. The
That is when I get my housemate to return the product to the store,
claiming it is defective, because it won't install on the computer.
It takes about two minutes for
On Wed, June 11, 2008 3:42 pm, John Boyle wrote:
> Jerry Feldman wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:32:35 -0700
>> jonathon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 5:28 AM, ccornell - OpenOffice.org wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
I say only because when in the last 20 years have you
I knew I was in the right place when the account rep fired up a web app in
firefox to set up my new account :-)
-Original Message-
From: Dotan Cohen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 5:05 AM
To: users@openoffice.org
Subject: Re: [users] http://www.saveXP.org/ [WAS
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 1:47 AM, Harold Fuchs wrote:
> None of them came with anything for Linux. The
That is when I get my housemate to return the product to the store,
claiming it is defective, because it won't install on the computer.
It takes about two minutes for the clerk to decide that i
2008/6/11 TechAdmin @ VibrantLivingMinistries
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> If you are a Firefox user, install the IE Tab extension. This allows you to
> run IE windows within FF. I realize that this does not address the
> underlying issue WRT the bank, but perhaps it can at least satisfy you. I
> use thi
Jerry Feldman wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:32:35 -0700
jonathon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 5:28 AM, ccornell - OpenOffice.org wrote:
I say only because when in the last 20 years have you gone into a consumer
electronics store or a dedicated home
AFAI
Harold Fuchs wrote:
2008/6/11 mike scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
On 11 Jun 2008 at 9:47, Harold Fuchs wrote:
...
So until the Linux fraternity can persuade mainstream gadget suppliers to
support them most non-nerds (!!??!!) will continue using Windows and, to
a
lesser extent
2008/6/11 Harold Fuchs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> So switch banks. I did, and I let them know why. I also let the new
>> bank know why I moved to their services.
>>
>> Don't be ridiculous. That really is cutting of one's nose to spite one's
> face. Or you are *very* wealthy and the bank *really* cares
2008/6/11 Harold Fuchs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> That's why I said "rightly or wrongly". Many companies simply will not use
> an unuspported version of anything. Of course security is an issue but many
> companies will have firewalls and anti-virus software for that. But they
> still won't continue w
Elchanan
-Original Message-
From: Dotan Cohen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 3:05 AM
To: users@openoffice.org
Subject: Re: [users] http://www.saveXP.org/ [WAS: Wrong OS or OS Version]
2008/6/11 Harold Fuchs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> My wife's bank ru
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:32:35 -0700
jonathon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 5:28 AM, ccornell - OpenOffice.org wrote:
>
> >I say only because when in the last 20 years have you gone into a consumer
> >electronics store or a dedicated home
>
> AFAIK, computers at _The Apple
2008/6/11 Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 2008/6/11 Harold Fuchs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > My wife's bank runs an internet
> > banking scheme that will *only* work with Internet Explorer. We have
> tried
> > complaining but ...
>
> So switch banks. I did, and I let them know why. I also let the
2008/6/11 Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > [1] Rightly or wrongly many companies will feel they *have to* stop using
> XP
> > when Microsoft withdraws support from it.
>
> I do not think that they can expect security updates or new features,
> but I doubt that the OS will 'stop working' in
2008/6/11 mike scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On 11 Jun 2008 at 9:47, Harold Fuchs wrote:
> ...
>> So until the Linux fraternity can persuade mainstream gadget suppliers to
>> support them most non-nerds (!!??!!) will continue using Windows and, to a
>> lesser extent, Macs.
>
> Chickens and eggs. Unt
2008/6/11 Harold Fuchs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> My wife's bank runs an internet
> banking scheme that will *only* work with Internet Explorer. We have tried
> complaining but ...
So switch banks. I did, and I let them know why. I also let the new
bank know why I moved to their services.
Dotan Cohen
2008/6/11 Harold Fuchs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> The Save XP petition started out, AFAIK, because people (Windows users)
> don't want to be "forced" [1] to migrate to Vista. It had nothing much to do
> with other options like Linux or Mac.
>
> One set of reasons for *not* migrating to Vista is given a
On 11 Jun 2008 at 10:32, Harold Fuchs wrote:
> 2008/6/11 mike scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > On 11 Jun 2008 at 9:47, Harold Fuchs wrote:
> > ...
> > > So until the Linux fraternity can persuade mainstream gadget suppliers to
> > > support them most non-nerds (!!??!!) will continue using Windows
2008/6/11 mike scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On 11 Jun 2008 at 9:47, Harold Fuchs wrote:
> ...
> > So until the Linux fraternity can persuade mainstream gadget suppliers to
> > support them most non-nerds (!!??!!) will continue using Windows and, to
> a
> > lesser extent, Macs.
>
> Chickens and egg
On 11 Jun 2008 at 9:47, Harold Fuchs wrote:
...
> So until the Linux fraternity can persuade mainstream gadget suppliers to
> support them most non-nerds (!!??!!) will continue using Windows and, to a
> lesser extent, Macs.
Chickens and eggs. Until there's a good enough demand, makers won't
both
2008/6/10 Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Serious question: what is so good about Windows XP that it is worth
> petitioning for?
>
> I have used Windows XP in the past, and found it a very frustrating
> and insecure operating system. What features does Windows XP have that
> users feel are m
jonathon wrote:
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 5:28 AM, ccornell - OpenOffice.org wrote:
I say only because when in the last 20 years have you gone into a consumer
electronics store or a dedicated home
AFAIK, computers at _The Apple Store_ have never shipped with a
Microsoft operating system.
Ye
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 5:28 AM, ccornell - OpenOffice.org wrote:
>I say only because when in the last 20 years have you gone into a consumer
>electronics store or a dedicated home
AFAIK, computers at _The Apple Store_ have never shipped with a
Microsoft operating system.
xan
jonathon
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Robin Laing wrote:
Dotan Cohen wrote:
2008/6/10 ccornell - OpenOffice.org <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Serious question: what is so good about Windows XP that it is worth
I see. This is how I summerize:
1) Dissatisfaction with the successor of XP
2) Unfamiliarity with anything else
3) Inability of l
Dotan Cohen wrote:
2008/6/10 ccornell - OpenOffice.org <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Serious question: what is so good about Windows XP that it is worth
I see. This is how I summerize:
1) Dissatisfaction with the successor of XP
2) Unfamiliarity with anything else
3) Inability of legacy programs to ru
Dotan Cohen wrote:
2008/6/6 Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Am 2008-06-04 12:56:39, schrieb John Boyle:
To James Knott: You have just proven my point, as you are very
knowledgeable with both programs. Again, however, a relative newbie,
like me, does NOT have the patience nor the skills to
> I see. This is how I summerize:
1) Dissatisfaction with the successor of XP
2) Unfamiliarity with anything else
3) Inability of legacy programs to run on other OSes (including the
successor to XP)
I understand then that there is no 'killer feature' in Windows XP that
people need other than t
2008/6/10 ccornell - OpenOffice.org <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Serious question: what is so good about Windows XP that it is worth
>> petitioning for?
>>
>> I have used Windows XP in the past, and found it a very frustrating
>> and insecure operating system. What features does Windows XP have that
>>
Serious question: what is so good about Windows XP that it is worth
petitioning for?
I have used Windows XP in the past, and found it a very frustrating
and insecure operating system. What features does Windows XP have that
users feel are missing from other OS's?
This is not a troll, but a serio
2008/6/6 Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Am 2008-06-04 12:56:39, schrieb John Boyle:
>> To James Knott: You have just proven my point, as you are very
>> knowledgeable with both programs. Again, however, a relative newbie,
>> like me, does NOT have the patience nor the skills to bother with
Am 2008-06-04 12:56:39, schrieb John Boyle:
> To James Knott: You have just proven my point, as you are very
> knowledgeable with both programs. Again, however, a relative newbie,
> like me, does NOT have the patience nor the skills to bother with Vista
> and never will! When my Windows XP no lo
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