Re: Big problems with senders who use Microsoft Bigfish (a.k.a. FrontBridge)

2013-08-15 Thread Nigel Smith
Yes, I have checked on the real Zen lists and the real IP is there. Then your checking software is broken.  None of the Spamhaus lists ever include anything in 10/8. John, the big hint was in the word *REAL IP*... as I said hundreds of times subsequently to the initial post, I stupidly

Re: Problems with BCCing from spammers

2013-08-15 Thread Axb
On 08/15/2013 12:20 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: I take it by the: a) lack of usable responses b) responses NOT claiming this ISN'T a bug it is *not* a bug. It's not SA's task to split a msg to multiple rcpts. Your glue (hack) or MTA (best) should do this.

Re: Problems with BCCing from spammers

2013-08-15 Thread Axb
On 08/15/2013 12:20 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Suggestions? http://www.snertsoft.com/sendmail/milter-spamc/ Spam:recipient-address value * (FRIEND or HATER are recognised) Spam:recipient-domain value * (FRIEND or HATER are recognised) Spam:recipient@ value * (FRIEND or

Re: Big problems with senders who use Microsoft Bigfish (a.k.a. FrontBridge)

2013-08-15 Thread John Levine
Oh, OK. In the future, if you're not prepared to show the actual problem with their actual data, please don't waste our time. R's from a thing with no keyboard, John Nigel Smith gb10hkzo-...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Yes, I have checked on the real Zen lists and the real IP is there. Then your

Re: Problems with BCCing from spammers

2013-08-15 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 14.08.13 15:20, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: I am using spamass-milter to process received mail. do you use -u user option? spamas-milter uses that user's config when the mail goes to multiple recipients. Isn't that user by any chance the one in all_spam_to list? I guess if you don't specify

Re: Problems with BCCing from spammers

2013-08-15 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
On 8/15/2013 12:29 AM, Axb wrote: On 08/15/2013 12:20 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Suggestions? http://www.snertsoft.com/sendmail/milter-spamc/ Spam:recipient-address value * (FRIEND or HATER are recognised) Spam:recipient-domain value * (FRIEND or HATER are recognised)

Re: Problems with BCCing from spammers

2013-08-15 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
On 8/15/2013 12:14 AM, Axb wrote: On 08/15/2013 12:20 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: I take it by the: a) lack of usable responses b) responses NOT claiming this ISN'T a bug it is *not* a bug. It's not SA's task to split a msg to multiple rcpts. Your glue (hack) or MTA (best) should do this.

Re: Problems with BCCing from spammers

2013-08-15 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
On 8/15/2013 9:38 AM, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On 14.08.13 15:20, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: I am using spamass-milter to process received mail. do you use -u user option? spamas-milter uses that user's config when the mail goes to multiple recipients. Isn't that user by any chance the one

Re: Problems with BCCing from spammers

2013-08-15 Thread Daniel McDonald
On 8/15/13 11:53 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt t...@ipinc.net wrote: On 8/15/2013 12:14 AM, Axb wrote: On 08/15/2013 12:20 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: I take it by the: a) lack of usable responses b) responses NOT claiming this ISN'T a bug it is *not* a bug. It's not SA's task to split a msg

Re: Problems with BCCing from spammers

2013-08-15 Thread John Hardin
On Thu, 15 Aug 2013, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: On 8/15/2013 12:14 AM, Axb wrote: On 08/15/2013 12:20 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: I take it by the: a) lack of usable responses b) responses NOT claiming this ISN'T a bug it is *not* a bug. It's not SA's task to split a msg to multiple

Re: SPF failure very low score

2013-08-15 Thread Quanah Gibson-Mount
--On Monday, August 12, 2013 2:02 PM -0700 John Hardin jhar...@impsec.org wrote: On Mon, 12 Aug 2013, Bowie Bailey wrote: On 8/12/2013 2:48 PM, John Hardin wrote: On Mon, 12 Aug 2013, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: --On Friday, August 09, 2013 12:42 AM +0200 Benny Pedersen wrote:

RP_MATCHES_RCVD letting in SPAM

2013-08-15 Thread Quanah Gibson-Mount
Some of our users are getting a ton of SPAM from .br domains. If it weren't for RP_MATCHES_RCVD they would actually end up in their junk folder rather than their Inbox. Is there a general suggested adjustment I can make catch these without tweaking RP_MATCHES_RCVD? Return-Path:

Re: SPF failure very low score

2013-08-15 Thread Bowie Bailey
On 8/15/2013 2:53 PM, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: Yeah, I'm not complaining about people discussing facebook, but pretending to be facebook. Example: Return-Path: no-re...@facebook.com Received: from edge02-zcs.vmware.com (LHLO edge02-zcs.vmware.com) (10.113.208.52) by mbs01-zcs.vmware.com

Re: SPF failure very low score

2013-08-15 Thread Benny Pedersen
Quanah Gibson-Mount skrev den 2013-08-15 20:53: header __FROM_FACEBOOK Return-Path:addr =~ /no-reply\@facebook.com/ meta __FORGED_SENDER (!SPF_PASS !DKIM_VALID_AU) meta FORGED_FACEBOOK_FROM (__FROM_FACEBOOK __FORGED_SENDER) score FORGED_FACEBOOK 1.5 Does that look correct? yes, add and

Re: SPF failure very low score

2013-08-15 Thread Quanah Gibson-Mount
--On Thursday, August 15, 2013 3:06 PM -0400 Bowie Bailey bowie_bai...@buc.com wrote: On 8/15/2013 2:53 PM, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: Yeah, I'm not complaining about people discussing facebook, but pretending to be facebook. Example: Return-Path: no-re...@facebook.com Received: from

Re: RP_MATCHES_RCVD letting in SPAM

2013-08-15 Thread Benny Pedersen
Quanah Gibson-Mount skrev den 2013-08-15 21:05: Some of our users are getting a ton of SPAM from .br domains. If it weren't for RP_MATCHES_RCVD they would actually end up in their junk folder rather than their Inbox. Is there a general suggested adjustment I can make catch these without

Re: RP_MATCHES_RCVD letting in SPAM

2013-08-15 Thread Quanah Gibson-Mount
--On Thursday, August 15, 2013 9:16 PM +0200 Benny Pedersen wrote: Quanah Gibson-Mount skrev den 2013-08-15 21:05: Some of our users are getting a ton of SPAM from .br domains. If it weren't for RP_MATCHES_RCVD they would actually end up in their junk folder rather than their Inbox. Is

Re: RP_MATCHES_RCVD letting in SPAM

2013-08-15 Thread Quanah Gibson-Mount
--On Thursday, August 15, 2013 12:21 PM -0700 Quanah Gibson-Mount qua...@zimbra.com wrote: --On Thursday, August 15, 2013 9:16 PM +0200 Benny Pedersen wrote: Quanah Gibson-Mount skrev den 2013-08-15 21:05: Some of our users are getting a ton of SPAM from .br domains. If it weren't for

Re: SPF failure very low score

2013-08-15 Thread John Hardin
On Thu, 15 Aug 2013, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: header __FROM_FACEBOOK Return-Path:addr =~ /no-reply\@facebook\.com/ Any reason you're limiting it to just the no-reply address? You might also want to broaden the domain a bit. How about: header __FROM_FACEBOOK Return-Path:addr =~

Re: RP_MATCHES_RCVD letting in SPAM

2013-08-15 Thread John Hardin
On Thu, 15 Aug 2013, Benny Pedersen wrote: meta LOTS_OF_MONEY (3) (3) (3) (3) I *do not recommend* doing that. There is a lot of legitimate email that mentions large monetary amounts (e.g. a newsletter discussing the US budget deficit). That rule's score is informational on purpose, so that

Re: SPF failure very low score

2013-08-15 Thread Quanah Gibson-Mount
--On Thursday, August 15, 2013 12:36 PM -0700 John Hardin wrote: On Thu, 15 Aug 2013, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: header __FROM_FACEBOOK Return-Path:addr =~ /no-reply\@facebook\.com/ Any reason you're limiting it to just the no-reply address? You might also want to broaden the domain a bit.

Re: RP_MATCHES_RCVD letting in SPAM

2013-08-15 Thread Benny Pedersen
John Hardin skrev den 2013-08-15 21:41: the score noticeably. It's intended to be used in metas with other rules that make a mention of a large amount of money suspicious. also why i used soft blacklists, i have not seen the real problem yet, but imho anyone can soft score adjust if needed,

Re: RP_MATCHES_RCVD letting in SPAM

2013-08-15 Thread Benny Pedersen
Quanah Gibson-Mount skrev den 2013-08-15 21:25: Hm, that won't catch our other BR spam though. :( List-Unsubscribe: http://www.registraclique.com.br/iem/unsubscribe.php?M=1531174C=77d064e695a19edb4155caf4c244402aL=11N=72 unsubscribe ? if recipient was not opt-in then block sender domain

Re: SPF failure very low score

2013-08-15 Thread Benny Pedersen
John Hardin skrev den 2013-08-15 21:36: header __FROM_FACEBOOK Return-Path:addr =~ /\@facebook(?:mail)?\.com$/ https://dmarcian.com/dmarc-inspector/facebookmail.com https://dmarcian.com/spf-survey/facebookapp.com

Re: SPF failure very low score

2013-08-15 Thread Benny Pedersen
Quanah Gibson-Mount skrev den 2013-08-15 21:43: well, so far, all 200 or so of these I've seen all use the same Return-Path. The From: varies, but Return-Path doesn't. then dont test other facebook domains, there is alot of other facebook real domains that is owned by same payers, make

Re: Whitelisting subdomains?

2013-08-15 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Wed, 2013-08-14 at 14:53 -0400, Andrew Talbot wrote: I’m trying to whitelist all our internal subdomains but I can’t seem to get it to work. We have so many of them that it’s impractical to do them individually. I was thinking that whitelist_from *.domain.com would work but it doesn’t

Re: RP_MATCHES_RCVD letting in SPAM

2013-08-15 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 15.08.13 12:05, Quanah Gibson-Mount wrote: Some of our users are getting a ton of SPAM from .br domains. If it weren't for RP_MATCHES_RCVD they would actually end up in their junk folder rather than their Inbox. Is there a general suggested adjustment I can make catch these without

Re: RP_MATCHES_RCVD letting in SPAM

2013-08-15 Thread Benny Pedersen
Matus UHLAR - fantomas skrev den 2013-08-15 22:33: score RP_MATCHES_RCVD 0 hard scoreing there is __RP_MATCHES_RCVD that has to be used in metas. I don't see any poing in giving positive score to mail just because it's not any kind of forged... __foo have no scores, no point in setting

Re: RP_MATCHES_RCVD letting in SPAM

2013-08-15 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
Matus UHLAR - fantomas skrev den 2013-08-15 22:33: score RP_MATCHES_RCVD 0 hard scoreing there is __RP_MATCHES_RCVD that has to be used in metas. I don't see any poing in giving positive score to mail just because it's not any kind of forged... On 15.08.13 22:41, Benny Pedersen wrote:

Re: RP_MATCHES_RCVD letting in SPAM

2013-08-15 Thread Quanah Gibson-Mount
--On Thursday, August 15, 2013 10:07 PM +0200 Benny Pedersen wrote: Quanah Gibson-Mount skrev den 2013-08-15 21:25: Hm, that won't catch our other BR spam though. :( List-Unsubscribe: http://www.registraclique.com.br/iem/unsubscribe.php?M=1531174C=77d064 e695a19edb4155caf4c244402aL=11N=72

Re: Problems with BCCing from spammers

2013-08-15 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Wed, 2013-08-14 at 15:20 -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: I take it by the: a) lack of usable responses b) responses NOT claiming this ISN'T a bug c) responses tacitly acknowledging this is an Oh crap they forgot about BCCs when they wrote it but I don't have the balls to publicly call

Re: Problems with BCCing from spammers

2013-08-15 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 09:53 -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: it is *not* a bug. It's not SA's task to split a msg to multiple rcpts. Your glue (hack) or MTA (best) should do this. It IS a bug since the software is not acting according to how it's documented or expected. That is the