Re: List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2018-05-30 15:49, Palvelin Postmaster wrote: > Why does this list apparently use the original From header of the > poster’s message and doesn't set a Reply-To header at all? Because that is the only right way. A list manager has no business modifying the contents of posted messages. It shoul

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Grant Taylor
On 05/30/2018 04:02 PM, RW wrote: OK, but when you said "The failure seems to be a result of how DMARC amalgamates the two with published policies" I thought you were claiming some kind of anomalous behaviour. Ah. Sorry for the confusion. It's surely obvious that rewriting the envelope sende

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread RW
On Wed, 30 May 2018 12:47:42 -0600 Grant Taylor wrote: > On 05/30/2018 12:08 PM, RW wrote: > > SPF passes on the rewritten envelope address, so it's not aligned > > and it's just a matter of whether there's an aligned dkim pass. > > It depends on what the Forensic Report ("fo") option is set to

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Bill Cole
On 30 May 2018, at 17:19 (-0400), Luis E. Muñoz wrote: On 30 May 2018, at 13:54, Bill Cole wrote: On 30 May 2018, at 14:51 (-0400), Grant Taylor wrote: Since Qualcom transferred the Eudora IP to the Computer History Museum and open sourced the source code, I expect that we will be seeing mo

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Luis E. Muñoz
On 30 May 2018, at 14:30, Bill Cole wrote: And if you can imagine this, both Thunderbird and MailMate choke on large mailboxes *even more* than Mail.app does. I haven't had MM "choke" on large mailboxes in recent years. I wish Benny would just declare a 2.0 release to make it clear that MM t

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Bill Cole
On 30 May 2018, at 14:47 (-0400), Charles Sprickman wrote: All email clients “generally suck”. Thunderbird is not even actively developed anymore last I checked, Check again. That's not been true for quite a while. I just dusted off TBird for the first time in 2 years and was treated to an u

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Luis E. Muñoz
On 30 May 2018, at 13:54, Bill Cole wrote: On 30 May 2018, at 14:51 (-0400), Grant Taylor wrote: Since Qualcom transferred the Eudora IP to the Computer History Museum and open sourced the source code, I expect that we will be seeing movement there in. I think I've seen some references to p

Re: spamcannibal DNSBL issue

2018-05-30 Thread Noel Butler
On 30/05/2018 17:37, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: > Hello, > > it seems that spamcannibal blacklist is dead, or at least its DNS has > expired: > > Domain Name: SPAMCANNIBAL.ORG > Updated Date: 2018-05-30T03:16:26Z > Name Server: NS1.RENEWYOURNAME.NET > Name Server: NS2.RENEWYOURNAME.NET > > a

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Bill Cole
On 30 May 2018, at 14:51 (-0400), Grant Taylor wrote: > Since Qualcom transferred the Eudora IP to the Computer History Museum and > open sourced the source code, I expect that we will be seeing movement there > in. I think I've seen some references to projects to resurrect the code base > wit

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Grant Taylor
On 05/30/2018 12:47 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote: If I had a better option than some old command-line mess, I’d use it. Every 3-4 years I go on a hunt for a new Mac mail client and I always come up empty. I’ve tried MailMate, Thunderbird, Postbox and just keep coming back to the (neglected) Mai

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Grant Taylor
On 05/30/2018 12:08 PM, RW wrote: SPF passes on the rewritten envelope address, so it's not aligned and it's just a matter of whether there's an aligned dkim pass. It depends on what the Forensic Report ("fo") option is set to in the published DMARC policy. Domain owners / record publishers c

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Charles Sprickman
> On May 30, 2018, at 10:25 AM, Bill Cole > wrote: > > On 30 May 2018, at 10:00, Palvelin Postmaster wrote: > >>> On 30 May 2018, at 16:48, Antony Stone >>> wrote: >>> >>> On Wednesday 30 May 2018 at 15:33:13, Palvelin Postmaster wrote: >>> > On 30 May 2018, at 16:06, Matus UHLAR - fa

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread RW
On Wed, 30 May 2018 11:45:12 -0600 Grant Taylor wrote: > On 05/30/2018 09:34 AM, Grant Taylor wrote: > > Now to see what sort of DMARC notifications (if any) I get for this > > reply. > > I have received four DMARC auth-failure notifications (thus far) in > response to my message to the SpamAs

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Grant Taylor
On 05/30/2018 09:34 AM, Grant Taylor wrote: Now to see what sort of DMARC notifications (if any) I get for this reply. I have received four DMARC auth-failure notifications (thus far) in response to my message to the SpamAssassin Users mailing list. It looks like the reports are indicating t

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Grant Taylor
On 05/30/2018 08:43 AM, Bill Cole wrote: Note that changing the From header would break all DKIM signatures and forcing a Reply-To would break many. That's where validating & striping DKIM signatures as the message enters the list comes into play. Preferably followed up with DKIM signing as

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Bill Cole
On 30 May 2018, at 10:25, Bill Cole wrote: On 30 May 2018, at 10:00, Palvelin Postmaster wrote: On 30 May 2018, at 16:48, Antony Stone wrote: On Wednesday 30 May 2018 at 15:33:13, Palvelin Postmaster wrote: On 30 May 2018, at 16:06, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On 30.05.18 15:49, Palv

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Bill Cole
On 30 May 2018, at 8:49, Palvelin Postmaster wrote: Why does this list apparently use the original From header of the poster’s message and doesn't set a Reply-To header at all? 1. Traditional standard practice. Doing otherwise in either case would offend more people than sticking with the han

Re: Dynamic clients

2018-05-30 Thread Axb
On 05/30/2018 02:35 PM, Rupert Gallagher wrote: What happens when your coitus with Spamhaus is interrupted by a man in the middle? I mean someone that either cuts your link or plays the role of your partner while delivering poisoned answers? Good luck... doesn't happen. I only use lists which

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Bill Cole
On 30 May 2018, at 10:00, Palvelin Postmaster wrote: On 30 May 2018, at 16:48, Antony Stone wrote: On Wednesday 30 May 2018 at 15:33:13, Palvelin Postmaster wrote: On 30 May 2018, at 16:06, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On 30.05.18 15:49, Palvelin Postmaster wrote: Hitting reply sends t

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Palvelin Postmaster
> On 30 May 2018, at 16:48, Antony Stone > wrote: > > On Wednesday 30 May 2018 at 15:33:13, Palvelin Postmaster wrote: > >>> On 30 May 2018, at 16:06, Matus UHLAR - fantomas >>> wrote: >>> >>> On 30.05.18 15:49, Palvelin Postmaster wrote: Hitting reply sends the response to poster dir

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Antony Stone
On Wednesday 30 May 2018 at 15:33:13, Palvelin Postmaster wrote: > > On 30 May 2018, at 16:06, Matus UHLAR - fantomas > > wrote: > > > > On 30.05.18 15:49, Palvelin Postmaster wrote: > >> Hitting reply sends the response to poster directly > > > > get a mail client that supports mailing lists.

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Palvelin Postmaster
> On 30 May 2018, at 16:06, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: > > On 30.05.18 15:49, Palvelin Postmaster wrote: > >> Hitting reply sends the response to poster directly > > get a mail client that supports mailing lists. Mozilla should do. I see, the 'Mozzilla or stfu' policy ;D >> and DMARC

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Alex Woick
Palvelin Postmaster schrieb am 30.05.2018 um 14:49: Why does this list apparently use the original From header of the poster’s message and doesn't set a Reply-To header at all? Hitting reply sends the response to poster directly and DMARC failures occur when posting to list. Not very elegant.

Re: [Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 30.05.18 15:49, Palvelin Postmaster wrote: Why does this list apparently use the original From header of the poster’s message and doesn't set a Reply-To header at all? because it's the standard behaviour. Hitting reply sends the response to poster directly get a mail client that supports

[Offtopic] List From and Reply-To

2018-05-30 Thread Palvelin Postmaster
Why does this list apparently use the original From header of the poster’s message and doesn't set a Reply-To header at all? Hitting reply sends the response to poster directly and DMARC failures occur when posting to list. Not very elegant.

Re: rewrite_header Subject and Bayes

2018-05-30 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 30.05.18 15:12, Palvelin Postmaster wrote: I prepend my spam emails’ subject fields with a specific string to indicate spam, like many do, I presume. Will that string get noticed by bayes and if so, should I do something to prevent it? On 30 May 2018, at 15:21, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrot

Re: rewrite_header Subject and Bayes

2018-05-30 Thread Palvelin Postmaster
> On 30 May 2018, at 15:21, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: > > On 30.05.18 15:12, Palvelin Postmaster wrote: >> I prepend my spam emails’ subject fields with a specific string to indicate >> spam, like many do, I presume. Will that string get noticed by bayes and >> if so, should I do somethin

Re: Dynamic clients

2018-05-30 Thread Rupert Gallagher
What happens when your coitus with Spamhaus is interrupted by a man in the middle? I mean someone that either cuts your link or plays the role of your partner while delivering poisoned answers? Good luck...

Re: rewrite_header Subject and Bayes

2018-05-30 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 30.05.18 15:12, Palvelin Postmaster wrote: I prepend my spam emails’ subject fields with a specific string to indicate spam, like many do, I presume. Will that string get noticed by bayes and if so, should I do something to prevent it? most probably, yes. However, not by your bayes, unless

rewrite_header Subject and Bayes

2018-05-30 Thread Palvelin Postmaster
Silly question or not, here goes: I prepend my spam emails’ subject fields with a specific string to indicate spam, like many do, I presume. Will that string get noticed by bayes and if so, should I do something to prevent it? -- Palvelin.fi Hostmaster postmas...@palvelin.fi

spamcannibal DNSBL issue

2018-05-30 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
Hello, it seems that spamcannibal blacklist is dead, or at least its DNS has expired: Domain Name: SPAMCANNIBAL.ORG Updated Date: 2018-05-30T03:16:26Z Name Server: NS1.RENEWYOURNAME.NET Name Server: NS2.RENEWYOURNAME.NET and, of course: 114.95.168.62.bl.spamcannibal.org. 86385 IN A 91.195.24