Re: KAM pccc URIBL questions

2013-10-09 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 10/7/2013 10:37 PM, Rob McEwen wrote: On 10/7/2013 7:42 PM, Raymond Dijkxhoorn wrote: This is harming more then it does good. But its your list so your rules ;) I would not want to use it to filter my mails with it but hey Since this is in its early development, it is probably too early to

Re: KAM pccc URIBL questions

2013-10-09 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 10/7/2013 7:53 PM, Martin Gregorie wrote: If, on inspection, there is any reliable way to distinguish spam from ham in the stream coming from cvent, you could drop the RBL score down a lot (0.01 ?) and write a meta that blocks just the spam. Perhaps but I do think there is some measure of a

Re: KAM pccc URIBL questions

2013-10-09 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 10/7/2013 7:38 PM, Alex wrote: How would another RBL handle a company that I have personally received evidence of spamming even if it causes FPs? Apparently none of the other RBLs consider it spam. Well then the RBL I'm envisioning might be different. But my goal is to get framework done

Re: KAM pccc URIBL questions

2013-10-09 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 10/7/2013 7:42 PM, Raymond Dijkxhoorn wrote: Apparently other RBL's care more about colleteral damage. I would not list this. You would not list microsoft.com neither if you accidently get a spam that you feel itnt appropriate. This is harming more then it does good. But its your list so

Re: KAM pccc URIBL questions

2013-10-09 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Wed, 2013-10-09 at 13:18 -0400, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: On 10/7/2013 7:53 PM, Martin Gregorie wrote: If, on inspection, there is any reliable way to distinguish spam from ham in the stream coming from cvent, you could drop the RBL score down a lot (0.01 ?) and write a meta that blocks

Re: KAM pccc URIBL questions

2013-10-09 Thread David F. Skoll
On Wed, 09 Oct 2013 19:31:41 +0100 Martin Gregorie mar...@gregorie.org wrote: My suggestion was meant for the OP rather than generally was made on the assumption that cvent was not going to listen to any criticism or police its subscribers. Surely a mailing list provider that does not police

KAM's email to Cvent Re: KAM pccc URIBL questions

2013-10-09 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
Below is a copy of the email from Cvent and my response with some minor redaction so as to keep who I'm in discussion with private unless they want to take the discussion public. regards, KAM Sorry for the delay on this response but I wanted to give it some serious attention especially as

Re: KAM pccc URIBL questions

2013-10-08 Thread David F. Skoll
On Mon, 7 Oct 2013 19:38:38 -0400 Alex mysqlstud...@gmail.com wrote: I've asked the list a few times before about similar companies, such as verticalresponse.com, which are also mass e-marketers, and I doubt very much whether all recipients have signed up for their newsletters or webinars.

Re: KAM pccc URIBL questions

2013-10-08 Thread Alex
Hi, I've asked the list a few times before about similar companies, such as verticalresponse.com, which are also mass e-marketers, and I doubt very much whether all recipients have signed up for their newsletters or webinars. My preference is to list quasi-legitimate spammers as spammers or

Re: KAM pccc URIBL questions

2013-10-07 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 10/6/2013 7:09 PM, Alex wrote: I'm using Kevin's KAM_FROM_URIBL_PCCC rules for the multi.pccc.com URIBL. Why is it designed to be a poison pill? It caught cvent.com, causing a bunch of mail to FP. I'm just curious if this URIBL is indeed this trustworthy, if these KAM rules are still used,

Re: KAM pccc URIBL questions

2013-10-07 Thread Alex
Hi Kevin, I'm using Kevin's KAM_FROM_URIBL_PCCC rules for the multi.pccc.com URIBL. Why is it designed to be a poison pill? It caught cvent.com, causing a bunch of mail to FP. I'm just curious if this URIBL is indeed this trustworthy, if these KAM rules are still used, and how it is working

Re: KAM pccc URIBL questions

2013-10-07 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 10/7/2013 6:18 PM, Alex wrote: How about just cvent.com? I've uploaded the headers from one FP here: http://pastebin.com/UDuDcp4F How would another RBL handle a company that I have personally received evidence of spamming even if it causes FPs? I personally received the spam from them from

Re: KAM pccc URIBL questions

2013-10-07 Thread Alex
Hi, How about just cvent.com? I've uploaded the headers from one FP here: http://pastebin.com/UDuDcp4F How would another RBL handle a company that I have personally received evidence of spamming even if it causes FPs? Apparently none of the other RBLs consider it spam. I've asked the list

Re: KAM pccc URIBL questions

2013-10-07 Thread Raymond Dijkxhoorn
Hai! How about just cvent.com? I've uploaded the headers from one FP here: http://pastebin.com/UDuDcp4F How would another RBL handle a company that I have personally received evidence of spamming even if it causes FPs? Apparently none of the other RBLs consider it spam. Apparently other

Re: KAM pccc URIBL questions

2013-10-07 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Mon, 2013-10-07 at 19:38 -0400, Alex wrote: There wasn't really any consensus on the list for this sender either. I've left them off my blacklist for now, despite seeing messages pertaining to hair care and gutter cleaning from their customers. They're also not on any public blocklists.

Re: KAM pccc URIBL questions

2013-10-07 Thread Rob McEwen
On 10/7/2013 7:42 PM, Raymond Dijkxhoorn wrote: This is harming more then it does good. But its your list so your rules ;) I would not want to use it to filter my mails with it but hey Since this is in its early development, it is probably too early to judge it too much. But from what I've read

Re: KAM pccc URIBL questions

2013-10-07 Thread Benny Pedersen
Alex skrev den 2013-10-08 00:18: http://pastebin.com/UDuDcp4F in local.cf def_whitelist_auth *@cvent.com or in user-prefs whitelist_auth *@cvent.com in case its ham, just not both https://dmarcian.com/spf-survey/cvent.com https://dmarcian.com/dmarc-inspector/cvent.com

KAM pccc URIBL questions

2013-10-06 Thread Alex
Hi guys, I'm using Kevin's KAM_FROM_URIBL_PCCC rules for the multi.pccc.com URIBL. Why is it designed to be a poison pill? It caught cvent.com, causing a bunch of mail to FP. I'm just curious if this URIBL is indeed this trustworthy, if these KAM rules are still used, and how it is working for