Re: Whitelisting Groups/Lists

2005-01-28 Thread David Brodbeck
Kelson wrote: 1. You sign up for a group about vintage widgets. 2. Spammer sends a message to your vintage widget list. 3. You get the spam through a whitelisted, opt-in channel. 4. List members owner get up in arms, flame war ensues over whether the list should be closed or kept open, whether

Re: Whitelisting Groups/Lists

2005-01-28 Thread Jeff Chan
On Thursday, January 27, 2005, 8:01:46 PM, David Brodbeck wrote: Kelson wrote: 1. You sign up for a group about vintage widgets. 2. Spammer sends a message to your vintage widget list. 3. You get the spam through a whitelisted, opt-in channel. 4. List members owner get up in arms, flame war

Re: Whitelisting Groups/Lists

2005-01-28 Thread Loren Wilton
One interesting tidbit -- a group I manage used to get hit by Step 6 style spam pretty regularly. I turned on first post requires moderator approval. Interestingly enough, I haven't had to reject any spam. Apparently just turning on that flag is enough to ward off a lot of spammers. Then

Re: Whitelisting Groups/Lists

2005-01-28 Thread Daniel Quinlan
Loren Wilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then again, I belong to a fairly esoteric list that requires a conversation with the moderator in able to even be able to join the list. Part of the conversation is stating that you Will Not Spam. About one in 5 new members is a spammer, and gets

Re: Whitelisting Groups/Lists

2005-01-28 Thread Jeff Chan
On Thursday, January 27, 2005, 8:50:25 PM, Daniel Quinlan wrote: Loren Wilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then again, I belong to a fairly esoteric list that requires a conversation with the moderator in able to even be able to join the list. Part of the conversation is stating that you Will

Re: Whitelisting Groups/Lists

2005-01-28 Thread Daniel Quinlan
Jeff Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yahoo Groups has a moderate new members setting which leaves new members in a moderated state until the owner manually changes it. It's a deterrent against spam since initial posts are moderated. Works great. I've been a moderator too many times, that's

Re: Whitelisting Groups/Lists

2005-01-28 Thread Jeff Chan
On Thursday, January 27, 2005, 9:34:09 PM, Daniel Quinlan wrote: Jeff Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yahoo Groups has a moderate new members setting which leaves new members in a moderated state until the owner manually changes it. It's a deterrent against spam since initial posts are

Re: Whitelisting Groups/Lists

2005-01-28 Thread Jeff Chan
On Thursday, January 27, 2005, 9:51:41 PM, Jeff Chan wrote: As a practical matter an N of 1 seems to stop most spammers and probably prevents most from even trying in the first place, which is even better. (But that's with the manual un-moderating, and not auto un-moderating.) Jeff C. --

RE: Whitelisting Groups/Lists

2005-01-27 Thread Rob McEwen (PowerView Systems)
RE: Whitelisting Groups/Lists (from another thread) address triggers that flag - even though it talks about a URL. For example, on one mailing list there is a poster who posts from a .biz address. Any thread Remember that article on spam filtering a month or two back where people on the SA

Re: Whitelisting Groups/Lists

2005-01-27 Thread jdow
by the term whitelist. {^_^} - Original Message - From: Rob McEwen (PowerView Systems) [EMAIL PROTECTED] RE: Whitelisting Groups/Lists (from another thread) address triggers that flag - even though it talks about a URL. For example, on one mailing list there is a poster who posts from

RE: Whitelisting Groups/Lists

2005-01-27 Thread Rob McEwen
Jdow said: I have found, in general, that whitelisting mailing lists is not a very good idea ... I also find spams appear on unmoderated Yahoo Groups. ... a blanket white list of the sort you propose would likely turn me white with anger... Thanks for the reply... but that is why I said in my

RE: Whitelisting Groups/Lists

2005-01-27 Thread Don Levey
Rob McEwen wrote: Jdow said: I have found, in general, that whitelisting mailing lists is not a very good idea ... I also find spams appear on unmoderated Yahoo Groups. ... a blanket white list of the sort you propose would likely turn me white with anger... Thanks for the reply... but that

Re: Whitelisting Groups/Lists

2005-01-27 Thread jdow
From: Rob McEwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jdow said: I have found, in general, that whitelisting mailing lists is not a very good idea ... I also find spams appear on unmoderated Yahoo Groups. ... a blanket white list of the sort you propose would likely turn me white with anger... Thanks for the

Re: Whitelisting Groups/Lists

2005-01-27 Thread Kelson
Rob McEwen wrote: Still, do you find such spam coming from those lists which are 100% opt-in? If Yahoo 100% opt-in? For the spam from Yahoo, is there a pattern? For example, I find that the greatest risk for FPs are those instances where the list saves up a day's worth of posts and then sends all

Re: Whitelisting Groups/Lists

2005-01-27 Thread jdow
From: Don Levey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rob McEwen wrote: Jdow said: I have found, in general, that whitelisting mailing lists is not a very good idea ... I also find spams appear on unmoderated Yahoo Groups. ... a blanket white list of the sort you propose would likely turn me white with