RE: So, when do we start handling [dot] in a URI

2006-05-15 Thread Chris Santerre
Title: RE: So, when do we start handling [dot] in a URI > -Original Message- > From: Dallas L. Engelken > This cycle will never stop until people stop pumping money into porn, Hey now!!! Lets not get crazy!! :) --Chris

Re: So, when do we start handling [dot] in a URI

2006-05-13 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Rick Measham wrote on Sat, 13 May 2006 12:38:16 +1000: > Why bother with the lookup? Any mail that has something that looks > enough like an obfuscated URL that we'd want to look it up should ring > alarm bells that we don't need to look it up .. You *can* do that. But that's a different matter

Re: So, when do we start handling [dot] in a URI

2006-05-13 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Bart Schaefer wrote on Fri, 12 May 2006 15:53:43 -0700: > (1) Website maintainer uses technique X to obsure addresses on his site. This has nothing to do with the topic. It's only that you think it is the same. It is not, it's completely unrelated. > (2) Spammer notices that his harvester fail

Re: So, when do we start handling [dot] in a URI

2006-05-13 Thread Bart Schaefer
On 5/12/06, jdow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: << jdow >> And you propose we do what instead? Look for other characteristics of the messages that could be filtered. I haven't seen any of these spams, so I don' t know what those might be, but this can hardly be the *only* thing the spammer is doin

Re: So, when do we start handling [dot] in a URI

2006-05-12 Thread Rick Measham
Theo Van Dinter wrote: However, I don't really think we need to have SA doing this. IMO, if spammers have to resort to obfuscating their domains in such a way that people need to actively copy/paste/edit/copy/paste to get to their site... If that's the theory, then why bother with SA at all? S

Re: So, when do we start handling [dot] in a URI

2006-05-12 Thread Rick Measham
Kai Schaetzl wrote: What's there to "invent"? The point is that these need to be identified as URI. So, convert to URI and then lookup in SURBL. Why bother with the lookup? Any mail that has something that looks enough like an obfuscated URL that we'd want to look it up should ring alarm bell

RE: So, when do we start handling [dot] in a URI

2006-05-12 Thread Dallas L. Engelken
> -Original Message- > From: Bart Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 5:54 PM > To: users@spamassassin.apache.org > Subject: Re: So, when do we start handling [dot] in a URI > > On 5/12/06, Kai Schaetzl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >

Re: So, when do we start handling [dot] in a URI

2006-05-12 Thread jdow
From: "John Rudd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On May 12, 2006, at 15:53, Bart Schaefer wrote: On 5/12/06, Kai Schaetzl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Bart Schaefer wrote on Fri, 12 May 2006 07:34:05 -0700: > So now that the spammers are using our own defenses against us, you > suggest that we should inv

Re: So, when do we start handling [dot] in a URI

2006-05-12 Thread John Rudd
On May 12, 2006, at 15:53, Bart Schaefer wrote: On 5/12/06, Kai Schaetzl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Bart Schaefer wrote on Fri, 12 May 2006 07:34:05 -0700: > So now that the spammers are using our own defenses against us, you > suggest that we should invent the technology to defeat those def

Re: So, when do we start handling [dot] in a URI

2006-05-12 Thread jdow
From: "Bart Schaefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On 5/12/06, Kai Schaetzl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Bart Schaefer wrote on Fri, 12 May 2006 07:34:05 -0700: > So now that the spammers are using our own defenses against us, you > suggest that we should invent the technology to defeat those defenses? W

Re: So, when do we start handling [dot] in a URI

2006-05-12 Thread Bart Schaefer
On 5/12/06, Kai Schaetzl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Bart Schaefer wrote on Fri, 12 May 2006 07:34:05 -0700: > So now that the spammers are using our own defenses against us, you > suggest that we should invent the technology to defeat those defenses? What's there to "invent"? The point is that

Re: So, when do we start handling [dot] in a URI

2006-05-12 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Bart Schaefer wrote on Fri, 12 May 2006 07:34:05 -0700: > So now that the spammers are using our own defenses against us, you > suggest that we should invent the technology to defeat those defenses? What's there to "invent"? The point is that these need to be identified as URI. So, convert to U

Re: So, when do we start handling [dot] in a URI

2006-05-12 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Jo wrote on Fri, 12 May 2006 16:41:38 +0200: > punt, puntje, bolleke, bolletje, point, Punkt, punto, punkto. With 6000 > languages worldwide that's a lot of possible variations... Not really, since most of that spam is in English and they rely on "common knowledge", e.g. that "[dot]" means ".".

Re: Re: So, when do we start handling [dot] in a URI

2006-05-12 Thread Nigel Frankcom
On Fri, 12 May 2006 11:47:33 -0700, "jdow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >From: "Jo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Bret Miller wrote: >>> Seems spammers have taken up to doing what many of us have in posting >>> e-mail addresses, putting [dot] instead of the . in the URL and telling >>> people to replace

Re: So, when do we start handling [dot] in a URI

2006-05-12 Thread jdow
From: "Jo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bret Miller wrote: Seems spammers have taken up to doing what many of us have in posting e-mail addresses, putting [dot] instead of the . in the URL and telling people to replace it like this: Welcome! [E]rectile [D]ysfunction? We can help! Our site: ochhorfand

RE: So, when do we start handling [dot] in a URI

2006-05-12 Thread Dallas L. Engelken
> -Original Message- > From: Theo Van Dinter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 10:17 > To: users@spamassassin.apache.org > Subject: Re: So, when do we start handling [dot] in a URI > > On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 10:12:40AM -0500, Dallas L. Engelk

RE: So, when do we start handling [dot] in a URI

2006-05-12 Thread Randal, Phil
o: users@spamassassin.apache.org > Subject: Re: So, when do we start handling [dot] in a URI > > On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 07:34:05AM -0700, Bart Schaefer wrote: > > So now that the spammers are using our own defenses against us, you > > suggest that we should invent the techno

Re: So, when do we start handling [dot] in a URI

2006-05-12 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 10:12:40AM -0500, Dallas L. Engelken wrote: > well, i dont consider them FPs, because i'm not writing any rules around > it. its just so get_uri_list() picks them up as uris, and checks them > against rhsbls. Except the reason you don't want to change $_ in that loop is b

RE: So, when do we start handling [dot] in a URI

2006-05-12 Thread Dallas L. Engelken
> -Original Message- > From: Theo Van Dinter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 10:08 > To: users@spamassassin.apache.org > Subject: Re: So, when do we start handling [dot] in a URI > > On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 09:58:55AM -0500, Dallas L. Engelken

Re: So, when do we start handling [dot] in a URI

2006-05-12 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 09:58:55AM -0500, Dallas L. Engelken wrote: > as a quick workaround (in PerMsgStatus.pm), i have been using this since > mid-march when i started seeing the (dot) and [dot] munging. i realize > the NOTE in M::SA::PMS says not to alter $_, but it was the fastest way > to so

RE: So, when do we start handling [dot] in a URI

2006-05-12 Thread Dallas L. Engelken
> -Original Message- > From: Bret Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 08:59 > To: users@spamassassin.apache.org > Subject: So, when do we start handling [dot] in a URI > > Seems spammers have taken up to doing what many of us have in > posting e-mail addresses,

Re: So, when do we start handling [dot] in a URI

2006-05-12 Thread Magnus Holmgren
Friday 12 May 2006 16:38m Theo Van Dinter wrote: > However, I don't really think we need to have SA doing this. IMO, if > spammers have to resort to obfuscating their domains in such a way that > people need to actively copy/paste/edit/copy/paste to get to their site... They already ofuscate thei

Re: So, when do we start handling [dot] in a URI

2006-05-12 Thread Jo
Bret Miller wrote: Seems spammers have taken up to doing what many of us have in posting e-mail addresses, putting [dot] instead of the . in the URL and telling people to replace it like this: Welcome! [E]rectile [D]ysfunction? We can help! Our site: ochhorfando[dot]com ;) Don't forget to repl

Re: So, when do we start handling [dot] in a URI

2006-05-12 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 07:34:05AM -0700, Bart Schaefer wrote: > So now that the spammers are using our own defenses against us, you > suggest that we should invent the technology to defeat those defenses? > And *then* what happens? I haven't tried it, but always thought that detecting the straigh

Re: So, when do we start handling [dot] in a URI

2006-05-12 Thread Bart Schaefer
On 5/12/06, Bret Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Seems spammers have taken up to doing what many of us have in posting e-mail addresses, putting [dot] instead of the . in the URL and telling people to replace it Gosh, exactly what "regular" people have been doing on web sites and in news/list