Re: Registrar RBL: nomination and scoring

2006-08-20 Thread John D. Hardin
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006, David Cary Hart wrote: > If someone can figure out the mechanics, I have a volunteer > (working on her MBA) who is great at crafting policy. I also have > the mirrors and structure. I am willing to add the zone. My first > listing would be Gandi. I have beta versions of this

RE: Registrar RBL: nomination and scoring

2006-08-16 Thread Michael Scheidell
> -Original Message- > From: Bill Horne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 8:06 PM > To: users@spamassassin.apache.org > Subject: Re: Registrar RBL: nomination and scoring > > > Homelinux.org is owned by dyndns.org, and the company g

Re: Registrar RBL: nomination and scoring

2006-08-16 Thread jdow
From: "Bill Horne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Sun, Aug 13, 2006 at 06:26:18PM -0700, jdow wrote: I wonder what the reputation of homelinux.org is these days. (I just posted a couple "rules" to the FC mailing list about them. A spam was relayed through them to the list followed by two shills who c

Re: Registrar RBL: nomination and scoring

2006-08-16 Thread Bill Horne
On Sun, Aug 13, 2006 at 06:26:18PM -0700, jdow wrote: > > I wonder what the reputation of homelinux.org is these days. > (I just posted a couple "rules" to the FC mailing list about them. > A spam was relayed through them to the list followed by two shills > who copied the entire message and comp

Re: Registrar RBL: nomination and scoring

2006-08-13 Thread jdow
From: "John Rudd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Aug 13, 2006, at 8:41 AM, John D. Hardin wrote: There still remains the question about what **exactly** should the numerator and the denominator be when calculating that percentage? Any ideas yet? Not from me. I don't know either. I base the gen

Re: Registrar RBL: nomination and scoring

2006-08-13 Thread John D. Hardin
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006, John Rudd wrote: > I like the idea of an RBL gives ratings instead of binary values. > That's why I thought of it being a "confidence percentage" instead > of just a "yes, we have them listed in the zone". How to build > that confidence rating is another matter entirely. T

Re: Registrar RBL: nomination and scoring

2006-08-13 Thread jdow
From: "John D. Hardin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Sun, 13 Aug 2006, Benny Pedersen wrote: On Sun, August 13, 2006 02:11, John D. Hardin wrote: > On Sat, 12 Aug 2006, John Rudd wrote: > > 127.0.0.1 ... 127.0.0.100 perhaps? How would a rule to score points > based on the returned IP look? Can/does S

Re: Registrar RBL: nomination and scoring

2006-08-13 Thread John Rudd
On Aug 13, 2006, at 8:41 AM, John D. Hardin wrote: There still remains the question about what **exactly** should the numerator and the denominator be when calculating that percentage? Any ideas yet? Not from me. I don't know either. I base the general idea on the IronPort "Sender Base

Re: Registrar RBL: nomination and scoring

2006-08-13 Thread John D. Hardin
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006, David Cary Hart wrote: > I don't disagree with any of this. In fact, this could be a very > powerful economic boycott which is why I thought about it. I am > only pointing our the administrative difficulties. > > How would you suggest the query mechanism works? I Most whois >

Re: Registrar RBL: nomination and scoring

2006-08-13 Thread David Cary Hart
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 10:26:28 -0700 (PDT), "John D. Hardin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> opined: > > Registrars' Terms of Service should be publicly available for > review; standards for ToS treatment of spammer behavior should be > fairly easy to develop and apply. > > Registrars' responsiveness to compla

Re: Registrar RBL: nomination and scoring

2006-08-13 Thread John D. Hardin
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006, David Cary Hart wrote: > > > b) have an RBL which returns different values for different > > > confidence levels. > > > > 127.0.0.1 ... 127.0.0.100 perhaps? How would a rule to score points > > based on the returned IP look? > > I actually considered doing this. However: >

Re: Registrar RBL: nomination and scoring

2006-08-13 Thread David Cary Hart
On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 17:11:34 -0700 (PDT), "John D. Hardin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> opined: > On Sat, 12 Aug 2006, John Rudd wrote: > > > If someone does make a Registrar RBL and a Name Server RBL (both > > of which are good ideas), _PLEASE_ do something like this: > > > > a) have two lists for each R

Re: Registrar RBL: nomination and scoring

2006-08-13 Thread John D. Hardin
On Sun, 13 Aug 2006, Benny Pedersen wrote: > On Sun, August 13, 2006 02:11, John D. Hardin wrote: > > On Sat, 12 Aug 2006, John Rudd wrote: > > > > 127.0.0.1 ... 127.0.0.100 perhaps? How would a rule to score points > > based on the returned IP look? Can/does SA cache the returned IP and > > test

RE: Registrar RBL: nomination and scoring

2006-08-13 Thread John D. Hardin
On Sat, 12 Aug 2006, Rob McEwen wrote: > >I'm not sure zone transfers will be feasible, since the registrar > >determination will be made dynamically. > > I think, to prevent processing overloads, you might want to cache > results at least for a period of minutes and not recalculate > results for

Re: Registrar RBL: nomination and scoring

2006-08-12 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Sun, August 13, 2006 02:11, John D. Hardin wrote: > On Sat, 12 Aug 2006, John Rudd wrote: > > 127.0.0.1 ... 127.0.0.100 perhaps? How would a rule to score points > based on the returned IP look? Can/does SA cache the returned IP and > test it in multiple rules without making multiple DNS queries

RE: Registrar RBL: nomination and scoring

2006-08-12 Thread Rob McEwen
>I'm not sure zone transfers will be feasible, since the registrar >determination will be made dynamically. I think, to prevent processing overloads, you might want to cache results at least for a period of minutes and not recalculate results for every thing query. I'm sure this isn't something th

Re: Registrar RBL: nomination and scoring

2006-08-12 Thread John D. Hardin
On Sat, 12 Aug 2006, John Rudd wrote: > On Aug 12, 2006, at 5:11 PM, John D. Hardin wrote: > > > >> b) have an RBL which returns different values for different > >> confidence levels. > > > > 127.0.0.1 ... 127.0.0.100 perhaps? How would a rule to score points > > based on the returned IP look? Can

Re: Registrar RBL: nomination and scoring

2006-08-12 Thread John Rudd
On Aug 12, 2006, at 5:11 PM, John D. Hardin wrote: b) have an RBL which returns different values for different confidence levels. Something like a percentage of known spammers are on that specific provider. So, if a registrar is 60% spammers and 40% bystanders, it will return "60"... and I

Registrar RBL: nomination and scoring

2006-08-12 Thread John D. Hardin
On Sat, 12 Aug 2006, John Rudd wrote: > If someone does make a Registrar RBL and a Name Server RBL (both > of which are good ideas), _PLEASE_ do something like this: > > a) have two lists for each RBL, one which has the above "kill the > bystanders" point of view, and one which is much more conse