A lesson learned about wicket

2011-12-14 Thread Martin Makundi
Hi! Today I have learned about a huge misconception I have had about wicket 1.4. I have actually been thinking that it is an MVC framework. But it is practically not. Why? Wicket's request cycle and serialization process makes effortless MVC design almost impossible. It seems like wicket is

Re: A lesson learned about wicket

2011-12-14 Thread Sven Meier
Hi Martin, I have actually been thinking that [Wicket] is an MVC framework. Looking at all the other MVC web frameworks I'm glad it isn't. What issues are you trying to solve actually? Sven Am 14.12.2011 09:12, schrieb Martin Makundi: Hi! Today I have learned about a huge misconception I

Re: A lesson learned about wicket

2011-12-14 Thread Martin Makundi
Hi! I have actually been thinking that [Wicket] is an MVC framework. Looking at all the other MVC web frameworks I'm glad it isn't. What issues are you trying to solve actually? That's a long story. We have complex business logic in complex multidimensional forms... yeah, don't try handling

Re: A lesson learned about wicket

2011-12-14 Thread Peter Ertl
Hi Martin, trying to give you a qualified opinion on your post... Am 14.12.2011 um 09:12 schrieb Martin Makundi: Hi! Today I have learned about a huge misconception I have had about wicket 1.4. I have actually been thinking that it is an MVC framework. But it is practically not. Why?

Re: A lesson learned about wicket

2011-12-14 Thread Martin Makundi
Hi! Wicket (View) - Facade - (Model, Controller) Wicket (View) - Controller - Facade (using interface IModel) + direct model access - Model (Data) No. If contorller is touched by Wicket, it spoils the state. I know your proposal works in simple situations, but when you have lots of players,

Re: A lesson learned about wicket

2011-12-14 Thread Igor Vaynberg
a simpler approach: https://www.42lines.net/2011/12/01/simplifying-non-trivial-user-workflows-with-conversations/ -igor On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:12 AM, Martin Makundi martin.maku...@koodaripalvelut.com wrote: Hi! Today I have learned about a huge misconception I have had about wicket 1.4.

Re: A lesson learned about wicket

2011-12-14 Thread Martin Makundi
a simpler approach: https://www.42lines.net/2011/12/01/simplifying-non-trivial-user-workflows-with-conversations/ Maybe yeah, but in our situation our model/controller complexity is almost like a relational db, so it will reside completely in its own layer facaded by entitymanager. Yeah,