[USMA:46907] TEDxMelbourne

2010-03-11 Thread Pat Naughtin
Dear All, On Saturday March 13 at 12:00 noon (Geelong date and time) I will be making a presentation called 'Saving millions with the metric system' at TEDxMelbourne. I have been asked to provide an 18 minute presentation. See the promo at http://www.tedxmelbourne.com You can learn more

[USMA:46908] Re: Standards for Math and English

2010-03-11 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Wednesday 10 March 2010 23:28:49 mech...@illinois.edu wrote: Phil, Common Core State Standards for Mathematics (a 71 page DRAFT) was posted just a few hours ago. To me, these are New Standards although they are still in DRAFT form, but they are now available for public comment until

[USMA:46909] Common Core State Standards for Mathematics

2010-03-11 Thread mechtly
On Page 16 of the DRAFT (for Grade 2), under Length Measurement is the statement: Understand that 1 inch, 1 foot, 1 centimeter, and 1 meter are conventionally defined lengths used as standard units. There is no mention of SI. On Page 20 (for Grade 3) is the statement: Determine and compare

[USMA:46910] Re: Common Core State Standards for Mathematics

2010-03-11 Thread John Frewen-Lord
One doesn't of course 'convert' between centimeters and meters - they are essentially one and the same thing. This reveals a fundamental failure to understand what the metric system (let alone SI) is about. As for mentioning the centimeter, and not the millimeter - Pat N should be having

[USMA:46911] Re: Common Core State Standards for Mathematics

2010-03-11 Thread James R. Frysinger
I suppose one could make a point for using something like rescale as opposed to convert when changing a value statement in centimeters to one in millimeters, for example. However, I don't see this as a major point. The word convert can mean a wide variety of things. I would say convert

[USMA:46912] Re: Common Core State Standards for Mathematics

2010-03-11 Thread John Frewen-Lord
Jim: I beg to differ! I used the word 'fundamental' in my previous email very deliberately. With customary units, miles, yards, feet, inches (length); pounds, ounces (mass), etc, are each discrete units, with a conversion factor to convert one from the other (12 inches in a foot, etc,

[USMA:46913] Re: Common Core State Standards for Mathematics

2010-03-11 Thread James R. Frysinger
John, You can make a fine technical point to support your view and, were we at a convention of metrologists, I would expect such precision in your speech. However, we are addressing the issue of teaching the SI to children for what we hope will be used by them in their quotidian lives.

[USMA:46914] Re: Common Core State Standards for Mathematics

2010-03-11 Thread Martin Vlietstra
Maybe it is worth standing back at looking at how money is handled. Does the Core State Standard convert between cents and dollars or only between dollars and euros? As I see it, there should be two sets of vocabulary: * The first that describes the relationship between dollars and cents,

[USMA:46915] Re: Common Core State Standards for Mathematics

2010-03-11 Thread Stephen Humphreys
From someone in the middle (me!). Well sort of. I agree with the notion that being pedantic will hardly sell metric. Imagine going to buy a car at a dealer and asking 'I would like alloys on a new car' only to be asked which metals should be used in the alloy and in which percentage! And I

[USMA:46916] Hardware store finds

2010-03-11 Thread Harry Wyeth
In a local hardware store, somewhat surprisingly: Frogtape paint masking tape in 24, 36 or 48 mm x 55 m rolls. Gorilla adhesive tape in same 48 mm width. I think the Frogtape roll mentioned inches in real small print. I wonder why not 50 mm, which would be about two inches.

[USMA:46917] RE: Hardware store finds

2010-03-11 Thread brian
Check out seeds. like for vegetables and the like. American companies usually, but they are sold in grams...only. No ounces or anything to be found...just grams. I like it.Until you turn the seed package around and they tell you to plant in 6 inch blah blah blah Original Message

[USMA:46919] Re: Common Core State Standards for Mathematics

2010-03-11 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Thursday 11 March 2010 14:31:14 mech...@illinois.edu wrote: On Page 16 of the DRAFT (for Grade 2), under Length Measurement is the statement: Understand that 1 inch, 1 foot, 1 centimeter, and 1 meter are conventionally defined lengths used as standard units. There is no mention of SI. The