One way is to "show" the "copy" field in the activity monitor. The
parent job doesn't show as a copy.
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Noticed it first with 5.1.
Currently we're running 6.0 MP4. Now that you mention it I won't swear
I've seen it since we went to 6.0 MP4. (But I also won't swear I
haven't either.) Since it wasn't an every day occurrence we wouldn't
have noticed it "going away" after the 6.0 MP4 upgrade.
I
Everyone I've heard from or have spoken with, who can wait, as there is now a
direct migration path from 5.x to 6.5 (conversion still required, can't skip
that pain) is going to do that, but around of after the release of 6.5 MP1 or
even MP2 (which from my understanding will be released as 6.5.1
On Fri, 21 Sep 2007, Jeff Lightner wrote:
> We see this on occasion for RMAN and also for other client initiated
> backups (as opposed to those we initiate from the master server
> scheduler).
>
> It appears that what occurs is the client process that started the job
> died for whatever reason (
On 9/21/07, Jeff Lightner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yesterday our director said that he doesn't intend to ever upgrade existing
> STK L700 because eventually we'll go tapeless as that is what the industry
> is doing.
Tape has been "dying" for 30 years.
http://searchstoragechannel.techtarget
NetBackup 5.1 does not have parent jobs for multiple stream backups, 6.0
and up does.
Now I did see your posts between 9/14 and 9/18 of this same question on
the symantec forums here:
https://forums.symantec.com/syment/board/message?board.id=21&message.id=37101
You said you were speaking of *
> Any suggestions on how to identify parents in v5.1?
You're using a term that isn't used in 5.x. So you'll need to give a
better description of what you're looking for.
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Any suggestions on how to identify parents in v5.1?
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On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 11:25:22AM -0700, Tsilva wrote:
>
> Kind of both, sometimes a backup is done in only one job, and
> sometimes in 4 or more jobs, can you explain me more about retries and
> multi-stream please, I?m using NetBackup 5.1 on Unix and Windows,
> Thanks !!!
It depends on what yo
When we put in our backup to disk system the main driving factor was the
point in time recovery and replication. We use the system to backup
critical data for business continuity and then replicate it to our DR
site. This gives us point in time recovery of about 24 hours or less.
When we comp
/Steve
On Fri, 21 Sep 2007, Martin, Jonathan wrote:
> I stand corrected. Curtis has all the answers and he's sitting on them.
> =P
>
> Worrying about multiplexing settings and tape failures? Come on, that's
> about as soft a cost as you can dream up.
>
> -Jonathan
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On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 10:56:47AM -0700, d w wrote:
> You know - you should probably open a support case next time you
> encounter this issue.
Yes, but at some point I give up if it's not a serious issue. I had a
case on one of these open for quite a while. Either I found the tech
note or they
Come on, man. Can't give away everything! ;)
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Backup Blog @ www.backupcentral.com
VP Data Protection, GlassHouse Technologies
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Just curious. You said "I'm not a fan of VTL," and so therefore aren't
looking at the VTL vendors at all. That kind of leaves out a whole
segment of the market, doesn't it? I'm aware of Data Domain, Exagrid,
NEC & NetApp NAS-based de-dupe products, but I can't imagine not also
bringing Diligent,
I stand corrected. Curtis has all the answers and he's sitting on them.
=P
Worrying about multiplexing settings and tape failures? Come on, that's
about as soft a cost as you can dream up.
-Jonathan
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We see this on occasion for RMAN and also for other client initiated
backups (as opposed to those we initiate from the master server
scheduler).
It appears that what occurs is the client process that started the job
died for whatever reason (sometimes it is a timeout at the client which
what we in
Oh, I wouldn't say that. ;) We've been doing a lot of comparisons
lately, and the comparisons include all of what you listed plus the cost
differential in cost of operation. For example, opex savings from not
having to worry about multiplexing settings, tape failures, etc.
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W. Curtis Preston
You know - you should probably open a support case next time you encounter this
issue.
If you could cron nbpemreq -tables screen to run once a day to an output file
- that might be helpful to narrow down the time frame of the occurance too.
If you remove pempersist - just make sure
I think what I'm reading here is that no one has done a true 1-to-1
comparison on Tape versus Deduplication / disk. I guess the next
question is, what would go into such a comparison?
1) Recovery Point Objective
2) Amount of Data To Be Backed Up
3) Retention
4) Cost of Hardware (Deduplication A
Yes, we are in the middle of this (trying to replace D2T2T with D2D2D)
process now.
What I am seeing is that while disk media costs more than tape per TB,
de-duplication is the difference-maker, the enabler, making extra weeks
or months retention of D2D data inexpensive. Buy another appliance f
The only issue there is that the EMC CDL does not support
de-duplication, and it doesn't look like they'll be doing it any time
soon. I know they're working on it, but they haven't announced anything
public, so who knows. Compare that to the other de-dupe vendors that
announced probably a year be
First, you can't compare the cost of disk and tape directly like that.
You have to include the drives and robots. A drive by itself is useful;
a tape by itself is not.
Setting that aside, if I put that disk in a system that's doing 20:1
de-duplication, my cost is now 1.65c/GB vs your 3-9c/GB.
Huh? I've got to say I think completely the opposite of you on this
one. User directed backups are really hard to direct at a resource that
is limited by the number of drives. I suppose you could multiplex, but
yuck.
Why wouldn't you point all user backups to disk? It's very similar to
what I
We have Oracle databases that backup using the RMAN agent.
Every once and awhile with 6.0MP4 we see jobs QUEUED forever, other jobs
run fine or when the job on the client re-runs it is fine, but every so
often there is 1 (or more) jobs that stay queued until you right click and
kill (or bpbdbjo
We deployed a VTL last month, which has been working very nicely. This is in a
NetBackup 5.1 environment with the VTL attached to our Solaris based master
server as well as to our NAS server for local NDMP backups. One thing I'd like
to do is over-subscribe on the back-end storage, but before I
Martin, Jonathan wrote:
> Is there a "media full" flag I can parse via the command line? I'm working on
> a script for a remote site who only wants to remove "full" media from the
> box. I can guestimate based on how much data is on the media but when NBU
> gets to the end of a media, does it
Don't forget that suspended and frozen media is effectively full, even
if not actually full. These conditions prevent further writing to the
tape, too.
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You've got a problem, then. v5.1 doesn't have parent jobs, it's a feature of
v6.x.
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Full media, it's a bit in the status byte.
/usr/openv/netbackup/bin/admincmd/bpmedialist -mlist -l | \
awk ' { if ( int($15/8)%2 ) {print $1} }'
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Jonathan
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Couple of questions:
Keeping in mind my environment is 100% Microsoft, no UNIX / LINUX.
Currently running NBU 6.0 MP4
Is there a way to just backup ACLs of a folders / subfolder?
Is there a way to determine from a previous backup what the permissions
were to a particular folder?
When
If you only do filesystem backups and not a lot of on-demand user-database
backups, you can probably get away with disk. If you are doings 1,000s of
user-initiated database backups though, disk will not cut it unless you
had a massive infrastructure. Using LTO-3 or LTO-4 drives with 10GBps
fo
> My Solaris 9 master server is running NBU6.0MP4, now we are
> planning to upgrade the rest of the media servers.
> Question : How to roll back media server if nbpushdata failed
> while executing on this media server. What i can think off is
> 1. Uninstall NBU6.0MP4 from media server
> 2. Instal
I am currently facing the same question.
We have Netbackup 5.1 with mp5,
I am thinking of first migrating to version 6 and then later migrate to
version 6.5
My feeling is an upgrade to version 6.0 has a big impact. And the impact
from version 6 to 6.5 is not so big.
Regards,
Rob
We have it on our plan. We will be using tape for only long term
retention of data.
Our plan is to purchase another EMC CDL, and mirror our existing EMC CDL
to the EMC CDL at our DR site. Our master server already is duplicated,
and this will allow us to start restores of stuff that is not tier
Cartoon Network.
Did your post have a point? Discovery Channel had a special on this?
You're annoyed at theoretical questions? wtf?
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Thanks.
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Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Tapeless backup environments?
This was in response the
This was in response the the question about eliminating tapes. The IT
department of Discovery Channel uses DataDomain and
NetApp for all their backups. They are running Netbackup6.0MP5. We had a
tour sponsored by DataDomain. We are considering
going to disk based backups and are looking at VTL
Disk is not cheaper? You've done a cost analysis?
Not saying you're wrong and I haven't done an analysis but I'd be
surprised if disks didn't actually work out to be cheaper over time:
1) Tapes age/break - We buy on average several hundred tapes a year -
support on a disk array for failing disks
I believe disks are 33c/gigabyte and tapes are 3-9cents/gigabyte or even
cheaper, I do not remember the exact figures, but someone I know has done
a cost analysis and tapes were by far cheaper. Also something that nobody
calculates is the cost of power to keep disks spinning.
Justin.
On Fri,
Discovery Channel
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IT Distributed Services Team
Pepco Holdings, Inc.
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On Fri, 21 Sep 2007, Jeff Lightner wrote:
> Yesterday our director said that he doesn't intend to ever upgrade
> existing STK L700 because eventually we'll go tapeless as that is what
> the industry is doing. The idea being we'd have our disk backup
> devices here (e.g. Data Domain) and transf
Yesterday our director said that he doesn't intend to ever upgrade
existing STK L700 because eventually we'll go tapeless as that is what
the industry is doing. The idea being we'd have our disk backup
devices here (e.g. Data Domain) and transfer to offsite storage to
another disk device so as to
Encryption has been included for quite a while now.
On Fri, 21 Sep 2007, Cruice, Daniel (US - Glen Mills) wrote:
> Does anyone out there know if NBU 6.5 will allow the ability to Password
> protect tapes?
>
>
>
> Dan Cruice
>
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Does anyone out there know if NBU 6.5 will allow the ability to Password
protect tapes?
Dan Cruice
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