well, how about a video with talk?it's time for me to dust off an early effort on vlog definitions http://www.richardshow.com/2005/06/richard-defines-video-blog.html
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2nd the motion for less talk more video.
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Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:07:18 +1100
From: Richard B
Bill - You just nailed it. Well done.On 12/17/05, Bill Streeter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This is a very controversial film. No doubt there are several different cuts floating around
out there.
Bill Streeter
LO-FI SAINT LOUIS
www.lofistl.com
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard
This is a very controversial film. No doubt there are several different cuts
floating around
out there.
Bill Streeter
LO-FI SAINT LOUIS
www.lofistl.com
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard Bennett-Forrest <[EMAIL
PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >Amazon offers eight or nine different prints of
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> which would make videobloggers all gen(i)uses ;-/
Ha ha.
Seriously, though, we might say that if videoblogging is a genus, then
the various types of videoblogging (personal, citizen journalism,
experimental, fict
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard Bennett-Forrest
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> It's all about the tension over time. We'll come to that later in our
> series. :-)
Actually, I can't think of a worse example of storytelling than
discussion list topics! They suck hard when it comes ti
which would make videobloggers all gen(i)uses ;-/
On Dec 17, 2005, at 6:42 PM, Matthew Clayfield wrote:
> If cinema is a phylum, videoblogging is a genus.
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At 0:12 + 18/12/05, Matthew Clayfield wrote:
>--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard Bennett-Forrest
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Are you guys having fun with this?
>>
>> I hope so, because its starting to drag on a little...
>
>Starting? A little?
It's all about the tension over
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard Bennett-Forrest
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Are you guys having fun with this?
>
> I hope so, because its starting to drag on a little...
Starting? A little?
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard Bennett-Forrest
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> At 0:03 + 18/12/05, Enric wrote:
> >--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Enric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Clayfield"
> > > >
> > > > ---
At 0:03 + 18/12/05, Enric wrote:
>--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Enric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Clayfield"
> > >
> > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Enric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
Are you guys having fun
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Enric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Clayfield"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Enric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Please explain and/or example "permeable n
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Clayfield"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Enric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Please explain and/or example "permeable network context".
>
> The multidirectional communication flow of the internet.
>
OK, w
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Enric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Please explain and/or example "permeable network context".
The multidirectional communication flow of the internet.
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Clayfield"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Enric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Though finding the definition providing the fundatmental
> > characteristic of videoblogging will also be useful.
>
> The fundam
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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> i think Amazon owns IMDB.
Really? Wow. I had no idea.
What u$e could they po$$ibly have with a $ite like that, I wonder?
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Clayfield"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Enric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Just a statement of fact, not value.
>
> You were contradicting yourself.
>
You're correct on that point.
-- Enric
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> > Amazon.com is NOT an authority. Check the IMDb if you have to check
> > anything.
i think Amazon owns IMDB.
-Josh
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Enric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Just a statement of fact, not value.
You were contradicting yourself.
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Enric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Though finding the definition providing the fundatmental
> characteristic of videoblogging will also be useful.
The fundamental characteristic of videoblogging is time-based images
exisiting in a more or less permeable ne
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Clayfield"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Enric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Birth of a Nation has had different running times depending on what
> > the various distibutors over time thought worked best.
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard Bennett-Forrest
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Imagine King Kong at around 5 minutes.
There's a vlog entry in that.
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Enric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Birth of a Nation has had different running times depending on what
> the various distibutors over time thought worked best.
Oh, so cinema became, as you say, "a vibrant media" once the
*distributors* "found and clearly
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:21:47 +0100, Richard Bennett-Forrest
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Amazon offers eight or nine different prints of this film on video.
>> They are of varying prices, and varying run times: I found run times
>> of 124min., 125min., 158min., 159min., 190min., and 207min.
>
>
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Clayfield"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Enric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > It's not a crime to have models...
>
> And I'm not saying it is. And I'm still not talking about videoblogging.
>
> You didn't
>Amazon offers eight or nine different prints of this film on video.
>They are of varying prices, and varying run times: I found run times
>of 124min., 125min., 158min., 159min., 190min., and 207min.
Wow, what a great idea. I'd love to be able to order a film at the
length I prefer. Imagine King
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Clayfield"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Enric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > From a comment on Amazon.com on the running time of Birth of a Nation:
> >
>
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/6305130949/104-520
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Enric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> It's not a crime to have models...
And I'm not saying it is. And I'm still not talking about videoblogging.
You didn't say that a certain form was or could be a model for a
certain type of cinema, Enric, you said that a
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Clayfield"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Enric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Well, there's a definition of cinema, I would say too loosely defined.
> > But a start. I'm not proposing a restrictive defint
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Enric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Well, there's a definition of cinema, I would say too loosely defined.
> But a start. I'm not proposing a restrictive defintion of
> videoblogging. Just that it is more useful to have a workable
> definition than none.
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Enric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> From a comment on Amazon.com on the running time of Birth of a Nation:
>
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/6305130949/104-5203272-5767925?v=glance&n=130:
>
>
> Amazon offers eight or nine different pr
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Loiez D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> In my opinion vlogging is not a modele ( there is x modele of vlogging)
> may be a "spirit" " the feeling of the media's mastering"
i like the sounds of that!
i'm not one for dogma or definitions. but i've always been
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "chris_koehn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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> Ha, I had mistakenly thought this conversation was dead.
>
>
> Here's something to think about for those that demand definition.
Perhaps defintions are for
> those who can't simply enjoy something, or just plain d
Ha, I had mistakenly thought this conversation was dead.
Here's something to think about for those that demand definition. Perhaps
defintions are for
those who can't simply enjoy something, or just plain don't get it? Definitions
are a crutch.
Go do something.
Ya
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adam Quirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On 12/17/05, Randolfe Wicker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I don't understand the need to "strictly define" videoblogging
except to
> > separate individually (or collectively) produced "independent"
video from
> >
> Enric wrote:
>
>It is more useful to have a model that applies somewhat than no model
>at all.
>
> -- Enric
>
>
i can't say i agree with that enric
i think vlogs are more like canvas...
i looked up the definition of canvas a few times
all the ones i found were pretty lame
and they have no b
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Clayfield"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Enric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > It is the form of a duration around 90
> > minutes with three acts that does define the cinematic form.
>
> This is so wrong it'
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Clayfield"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Enric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > But it
> > became a vibrant media once Griffith found and clearly displayed the
> > 60-120 minute, three act model in "Birth of a
It is more useful to have a model that applies somewhat than no model
at all.
-- Enric
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> oxymoron alert!
>
> there is no such thing as a "correct" model
> otherwise it would not be a model
>
> all models are appro
Warning - do not step into the ring with Matt Clayfield
on matters of the cinema. You will get served.
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Clayfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Enric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > It is the form of a dur
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Enric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It is the form of a duration around 90
> minutes with three acts that does define the cinematic form.
This is so wrong it's not funny.
The length criterion (not to mention the absurd narrative-biased three
act structure
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Enric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> But it
> became a vibrant media once Griffith found and clearly displayed the
> 60-120 minute, three act model in "Birth of a Nation".
'The Birth of a Nation' goes for 187 minutes.
Just for the record.
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