Charles,
Regarding semantic markup... Indeed.
That's why i made mention of XFN earlier to imply that taking the same
concepts of people relations through semantics (my profiles and
friends profiles and discovering connections), the same should be
applied to the conversations being had among these
Actually I just remembered that I solved a problem similar to this
when I was writing the VideoPress Video Embed plugin.
The VideoPress Video Embed plugin provide code other people can use to
embed your video on other people's pages.
The thing is, I marked that "embed code" semantically with
Rather than extending the TrackBack or Pingback protocols, perhaps we
could support the "marking" of the video (and being the "content"...
and thus the thing being a video comment) with some Semantic HTML.
I.e., using HTML classes, special HTML elements, and HTML "rel" and
"rev" attributes to expr
You know. I remember reading somewhere that, when the HTTP
protocol (that the web is build upon) was being designed, they
actually wanted a include a mechanism to keep track of what other
pages were linking to you.
If I recall correctly, the "HTTP Referer" and yes you're suppose
to mis-spe
I've been thinking about what Charles said.
In theory we could extend wordpress' trackback mechanism.
I'm not sure exactly how it currently works, but we could basically
just extend it to identify video enclosures and embed those in the
original blog post comments area.
This might be THE simples
Yeah I think you are right. I love simplicity but seem bad at achieving it
myself. Im trying
through, have put ideas about needing a new fancy flash player to power this
stuff, to one
side for now, JW FLV player is good enough for a start, and Im getting way
ahead of
myself.
For prototyping
On 02/02/2008, at 8:53 PM, Jay dedman wrote:
> when you start talking like tis Adrian, you lose me.
> I am understanding the concepts of video commenting and following
> the threads.
> im in.
fair enough. lose myself too.
I'll think through and try to make a QT mockup to explain what I mean.
I would be nice if, for example, each WordPress (or Show in a Box)
based video blog had a plugin that could show the entire threaded
convo itself.
That way you could see the convo no matter which video blog you were on.
--
Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
http://ChangeLog.ca/
Motorsport Videos
ht
obviously of interest
http://google-code-updates.blogspot.com/2008/02/urls-are-people-too.html>
On Feb 4, 2008 1:40 PM, Mike Meiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I think it would need someone who can develop it to do a protype of
> the idea in it's most simple form, a proof of con
I think it would need someone who can develop it to do a protype of
the idea in it's most simple form, a proof of concept.
-Mike
On Feb 4, 2008 11:42 AM, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I wouldnt say it is that easy, a really intuitive system will need more
> thought in this area
> th
I wouldnt say it is that easy, a really intuitive system will need more thought
in this area
than we normally see. Sure, at its most basic its not that hard, but Id sure
like to see some
attempts to experiment more with how multiple videos are presented visually,
see if there
is room to bring
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On Feb 4, 2008 6:58 AM, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > So Jay, is this an offer to develop it?
> > I would be very happy to contribute feedback, design, CSS, light
> > coding / anything I can just as long as it's either a) open source, or
> > b) I have some stake in the e
> So Jay, is this an offer to develop it?
> I would be very happy to contribute feedback, design, CSS, light
> coding / anything I can just as long as it's either a) open source, or
> b) I have some stake in the entity building it. I'm just sick of
> helping unappreciative companies / people build
XO - that's what I was looking for Ms. Colan.
:)
Jan
On Feb 3, 2008 1:34 PM, Cheryl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jan,
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> If you're using the Show in a Box variant where you can go to
> Presentation > Theme Options and select a stylesheet from a dropdown
> menu, then don't put the CSS snippet i
Jan,
If you're using the Show in a Box variant where you can go to
Presentation > Theme Options and select a stylesheet from a dropdown
menu, then don't put the CSS snippet into styles.css
Instead go to your theme folder. Inside there will be a styles folder
containing all the styles from that dr
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On 2/2/08, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > how does a tracker help me follow conversations across different
> > > sites?
> >
> > that might be the wrong question. If you could map link structures
> > between blogs then the patterns that form, and the clusters (eg you
Sorry, been away from my computer a few days.
So Jay, is this an offer to develop it?
I would be very happy to contribute feedback, design, CSS, light
coding / anything I can just as long as it's either a) open source, or
b) I have some stake in the entity building it. I'm just sick of
helping un
Just nowhere is it clear where that snippet should go - which css file?
style.css?
That's the right direction.
As a newbie @ WP the placement's just not jumping right out at me.
Thanks, Mr. Dedman.
And Mr. Meade for making it.
Thanks, ShowinABox. it's a kick in my artist-ass.
:)
Jan
On Feb
> Here's the subject test page, creating an 'About' page using comments for
> dynamic content: http://fauxpress.tv/vlog/?page_id=2#comment-3
> Will Vpip not make a popup for video comments? What do I have to do to
> accomplish that? Add some code to the comment template?
you must have fixed it
Technical question:
ShowinABox + Vpip installation
Got Video Archive set up
Got video comments installed
check
Most recent WordPress install
Here's the subject test page, creating an 'About' page using comments for
dynamic content: http://fauxpress.tv/vlog/?page_id=2#comment-3
Will Vpip not make
> > how does a tracker help me follow conversations across different
> > sites?
>
> that might be the wrong question. If you could map link structures
> between blogs then the patterns that form, and the clusters (eg your
> blog would be a dense node since many others link to it) provide ways
On 02/02/2008, at 3:25 AM, Jay dedman wrote:
> H.so are you saying we need some service to do track these
> conversations?
> tell me how it works from a user's perspective.
>
yes
> how does a tracker help me follow conversations across different
> sites?
that might be the wrong quest
I would imagine you would see the threaded conversation all on one page.
(Maybe including the whole message... or with links to the messages.)
--
Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
http://ChangeLog.ca/
Motorsport Videos
http://TireBiterZ.com/
Vlog Razor... Vlogging News... http://vlograzor.com/
> it's not necessary that comments be posted directly TO the comment box
> on a blog post. I personally feel that the best potential of all is
> to track and display the back and forth BETWEEN blogs /vlogs using
> permalink tracking.
> Joe vlogs --> Mary vlogs about Joe's post linking directl
ShiftSpace is interesting, thanks for the headsUp.
On Feb 1, 2008 10:13 AM, Kath O'Donnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> yeah that would be cool. shiftspace have an api so perhaps it's
> something that can be done now/future, not sure. they can replace
> images already so the view of
yeah that would be cool. shiftspace have an api so perhaps it's
something that can be done now/future, not sure. they can replace
images already so the view of the page via shiftspace is different to
the real page. adding layers/dimensions to the web. like a stack.
perhaps a layer to replace your v
On 01/02/2008, at 4:33 PM, Mike Meiser wrote:
> I'll have to read up on your word to get your meaning... But I
> disagree that when we talk about video commenting we're ONLY talking
> about putting videos into comments on people's blogs... I would
> suggest we instead include vlog to vlog comment
On 01/02/2008, at 4:33 PM, Mike Meiser wrote:
> we could right a book on this subject, I feel it would be more
> productive for me to mine for your past comments... are they on here
> or on one of your blogs.
hi Mike
some are at http://vogmae.net.au/drupal/thinking but this site is
still bein
Mike is correct in that Mefeedia does have a lot of the data that
could make video conversation tracking possible. I hope we can do
something with this soon. We are working on putting the search
technology in place that should be making setting up these "memes"
possible for any user, we hope.
Reg
On 2/1/08, Adrian Miles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On 01/02/2008, at 4:33 PM, Mike Meiser wrote:
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> > Are you farmilliar with the Ted Nelson Exanadu project and it's MANY
> > MANY ill fated inspired projects? It's truely fascinating. A sort of
> > wikipedia for media concept. EVERYTHING is int
On 01/02/2008, at 4:33 PM, Mike Meiser wrote:
> Are you farmilliar with the Ted Nelson Exanadu project and it's MANY
> MANY ill fated inspired projects? It's truely fascinating. A sort of
> wikipedia for media concept. EVERYTHING is interefernceable. A sort of
> mythic beast / grail quest project
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On Jan 31, 2008 10:37 PM, Adrian Miles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On 01/02/2008, at 2:23 PM, Markus Sandy wrote:
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> > are you referring to http://www.mystickies.com/ ?
> >
> > i think there are several services like this now (sort of defeats the
> > point)
> >
> > i recall a fi
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On Feb 1, 2008 12:10 AM, Adrian Miles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On 01/02/2008, at 3:58 PM, Mike Meiser wrote:
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> > it's not necessary that comments be posted directly TO the comment box
> > on a blog post. I personally feel that the best potential of all is
> > to track and di
On Jan 31, 2008 10:05 PM, Adrian Miles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> you should but technically one is trivial computationally the other
> much more complicated. Also text has clear standards. Quote marks,
> standardised referencing systems to indicate source, right down to
> year, page, and object,
On Jan 31, 2008 10:01 PM, Adrian Miles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On 01/02/2008, at 4:28 AM, Jay dedman wrote:
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> > I think the biggest challenge is getting creators to actually make
> > video comments.
> > Youtube has the only video commenting system Ive really seen used.
> > Most times thoug
On Jan 31, 2008 4:53 PM, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mmm yes thats the sort of problem that I was gibbering about in post the
> other day, if
> comments and conversations are fragmented across multiple websites, how to
> piece that
> all back together again and present it in a sane
On 01/02/2008, at 3:58 PM, Mike Meiser wrote:
> it's not necessary that comments be posted directly TO the comment box
> on a blog post. I personally feel that the best potential of all is
> to track and display the back and forth BETWEEN blogs /vlogs using
> permalink tracking.
hi Mike
here ye
On Jan 31, 2008 3:48 PM, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Agreed - a community needs to have a standard of practice in order to,
> > well... practice! And CC seems to be the way to go. The hard part is this:
> > videobloggers come in all different varieties. Some are posting thoughts
> >
On 01/02/2008, at 2:23 PM, Markus Sandy wrote:
> are you referring to http://www.mystickies.com/ ?
>
> i think there are several services like this now (sort of defeats the
> point)
>
> i recall a firefox plugin
>
> always been surprised that this did not take off more. weren't there
> libel issu
On Jan 31, 2008, at 7:14 PM, Adrian Miles wrote:
> Does anyone remember that thing from years ago that was like webpage
> graffiti? you could leave notes on webpages, and anyone with the
> plugin could see the notes. I remember that whitehouse.gov got more or
> less buried under the things...
a
hi all
Does anyone remember that thing from years ago that was like webpage
graffiti? you could leave notes on webpages, and anyone with the
plugin could see the notes. I remember that whitehouse.gov got more or
less buried under the things...
On 01/02/2008, at 10:12 AM, Kath O'Donnell wro
in australia it is more or less a 'gentlemen's agreement' (and I'm
pretty sure this is how it gets described) which every now and then
ruffles feathers when one network is perceived to use too much of
someone else's footage or similar. there is no licence, no money, just
a sort of mutual ag
you should but technically one is trivial computationally the other
much more complicated. Also text has clear standards. Quote marks,
standardised referencing systems to indicate source, right down to
year, page, and object, etc. There is no way to easily indicate this
inside video.
In ad
On 01/02/2008, at 4:28 AM, Jay dedman wrote:
> I think the biggest challenge is getting creators to actually make
> video comments.
> Youtube has the only video commenting system Ive really seen used.
> Most times though, people are just linking to their own videos so they
> can ride out the popu
hi all
On 01/02/2008, at 7:48 AM, Jay dedman wrote:
> So i think CC licenses is totally important...but can we have Fair Use
> if video is being used for criticism, debate, or conversation?
fair use is very weak. As far as I'm aware it doesn't formally exist
here in Australia as a right, more a
Yes thats an interesting service, although the comments on Scoble's blog post
about it,
give an indication of some of the reservations people have about this sort of
thing:
http://scobleizer.com/2007/12/04/bloggers-hot-new-commenting-system-from-
disqus/
Im not sure it goes too far at harnessi
or something like ShiftSpace?
http://shiftspace.org/screencasts/intro/ has a demo video. a metadata
layer above webpages - the trails sound interesting. how you can link
up conversations across the metaverse. I think they're at transmediale
atm. there's a few examples on the site.
On Feb 1, 2008 1
something like disqus.com, which deems it important to allow data
export and not be a walled garden using yours and your commenters
content.
On Jan 31, 2008 5:01 PM, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
So maybe a part of effective conversations, comments, communication,
is bridging the
gap b
Im also rather interested in how much the blog' concept hinders rather than
helps video
conversations.
Ive always been a huge fan of well done internet forums/messageboards. You can
get
longer conversations than Ive ever seen on blog comments, although theres not
much
difference really. I d
Mmm yes thats the sort of problem that I was gibbering about in post the other
day, if
comments and conversations are fragmented across multiple websites, how to
piece that
all back together again and present it in a sane way.
Youtube has it relatively easy due to their large audience, and bei
Anybody know what rules live TV news stations play by? I remember seeing a
programme
about Al Jazeera years ago, and they were watching other stations
rebroadcasting their live
pictures (probably of the bombing of Bahgdad), and were trying to frustrate
this by cutting
to their anchor. There a
> Agreed - a community needs to have a standard of practice in order to,
> well... practice! And CC seems to be the way to go. The hard part is this:
> videobloggers come in all different varieties. Some are posting thoughts
> and conversation-starters (sorta like text blogs). Others think of the
> From the archives (back in 2005), here's one possible interface for
> displaying video quotes:
> http://www.solitude.dk/archives/20051013-0025
> It has a big quote mark and a link back to the original.
> Made with this: http://www.solitude.dk/archives/linkubator/ (choose the
> 'video quote'
Agreed - a community needs to have a standard of practice in order to,
well... practice! And CC seems to be the way to go. The hard part is this:
videobloggers come in all different varieties. Some are posting thoughts and
conversation-starters (sorta like text blogs). Others think of their posts
m
> Asked a slightly different way - what's the difference? What's the
> difference between someone's text-based words and someone's video-based
> words? I'm thinking you should be able to "pull quotes" from both.
this would be my instinct as well.
But the newspaper/book industry welcomes others t
fwding to semanal list - I like your idea Jay - what if for week6 (or
choose another week) we all post a video, but we also have to post a
video comment to at least one person who's posted that week. or use
the comment video as your weekly post if you don't want/are too busy
to do 2 videos. so we
My experience in this realm has been mixed.
All along the spectrum from ecstasy to rage.
Sigh.
Jan
On Jan 31, 2008 12:34 PM, Steve Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've been cautious in this area..
>
> It's a good question.
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Jay dedman" <[EMAIL PR
From the archives (back in 2005), here's one possible interface for
displaying video quotes:
http://www.solitude.dk/archives/20051013-0025
It has a big quote mark and a link back to the original.
Made with this: http://www.solitude.dk/archives/linkubator/ (choose the
'video quote' option)
Asked a slightly different way - what's the difference? What's the
difference between someone's text-based words and someone's video-based
words? I'm thinking you should be able to "pull quotes" from both.
David
On Jan 31, 2008 11:34 AM, Steve Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've been ca
I've been cautious in this area..
It's a good question.
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Jay dedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can we use use each others video, like we currently use each other's
> text posts to have a conversation?
> YouTube actually has a great API for asking for all comments,
> including video comments, for a video. It uses GData.
> Does anyone know if Blip has a similar API? I have seen that Blip
> offers comments RSS for each post, but most of the time the
> conversations are happening at the vlogs,
Theoretically, aggregating comments RSS should be easier than
aggregating mediaRSS - the RSS is typically following RSS 1.0 or 2.0
standards, whereas MediaRSS is all over the place.
YouTube actually has a great API for asking for all comments,
including video comments, for a video. It uses GData.
Blogger just recently allowed commentors to check a box fo follow comments
via email.
Havent any idea what you guys' are taling about, but...
I love it when the coders get all excited.
:)
Jan
On Jan 31, 2008 7:22 AM, David Meade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's included in wordpress feeds al
It's included in wordpress feeds already. - but I dont think it is
in blogger feeds
On Jan 31, 2008 1:12 AM, Mike Meiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Cool.
>
> Example of a comment feed reference from sull's blip feed:
> http://sull.blip.tv/rss
>
>
> 9856168E-BE0C-11DC-A000-B09E966E5011
> h
Cool.
Example of a comment feed reference from sull's blip feed:
http://sull.blip.tv/rss
9856168E-BE0C-11DC-A000-B09E966E5011
http://blip.tv/file/586535
What is it that's driving this?
[...]
http://blip.tv/comments/?attached_to=post592232&skin=rss
http://blip.tv/file/586535
wfw, a
and i just checked blip feeds and... good on them ;)
it's in there.
On Jan 31, 2008 12:10 AM, Sull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For starters, their should be wide adoption of WFW - Well-Formed Web
> wfw:commentRss namespace element.
>
> http://wellformedweb.org/news/wfw_namespace_elements/
>
> htt
For starters, their should be wide adoption of WFW - Well-Formed Web
wfw:commentRss namespace element.
http://wellformedweb.org/news/wfw_namespace_elements/
http://www.sellsbrothers.com/spout/default.aspx?content=archive.htm#exposingRssComments
On Jan 30, 2008 10:56 PM, Mike Meiser <[EMAIL PROT
It's not that complex though to track comments.
You follow the permalink.
You parse the page one time... you look for the comment RSS most
platforms have them now. You display all or part of the comments in
the aggregator... maybe as trackbacks, you just take them into
account in the aggregator
We're working on putting technology in place - a new Video Search
Engine - that will hopefully enable the tracking of video responses
across vlogs.
The problem is extremely complex as there are many variations on
formatting, blog post URLs, embedding, etc. It will be interesting to
do some small
Yeah good stuff that plugin :)
As for those thoughts on the future, interesting stuff. I think the net is
still largely
conflicted over these things right now, many issues get involved, ranging from
how
sites/services try to make money, control over content, social networks that
are still wal
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