[videoblogging] Re: Thinking outside the box...

2006-01-06 Thread jonny goldstein
More ways to generate $$ from vlogging: Vlogging can help you get you paid more in your day jobif you vlog about stuff you become more of a recognized expert about that stuff if you do decent work. This can help you get a better paying gig, or get better paid at your current gig. Vlogging

[videoblogging] re: Thinking outside the box...

2006-01-06 Thread Nerissa \(TheVideoQueen\)
Message: 17 Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 01:04:35 -0500 From: Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Thinking outside the box... So let's try it with this group: Goal: How can videoblogs generate revenue for vloggers? Po: Advertising does not exist. Po: Let's ban advertising on vlogs. I

[videoblogging] re: Thinking outside the box...

2006-01-06 Thread Richard Bennett-Forrest
Working out ways to making videoblogging pay, is like working out a way to make sitting at home playing dominos pay.* It's the same with any amateur creative endeavour, in a short period of time, new people end up with an inflated sense of self worth. In our community, its because of a false

[videoblogging] re: Thinking outside the box...

2006-01-06 Thread Richard Bennett-Forrest
Having said that, if there's an investor out there willing to give me large wads of cash, no questions asked, then absolutely, I'm all ears. Drop me an email. Regards, Richard -- Vlog: http://www.kashum.com Feed: http://www.kashum.com/rss2.xml Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group

[videoblogging] Re: Thinking outside the box...

2006-01-06 Thread Matthew Clayfield
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard Bennett-Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps the equation should be: I make content, I don't make money; they make content, so they shouldn't make any either. Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner, Johnny! Thus endeth the lesson. Yahoo!

Re: [videoblogging] re: Thinking outside the box...

2006-01-06 Thread Vincent Njoroge Ndonye
I like this question because there is gets to the variety of vlogs out there. Not all of them are or will be quirky, artisitic, avenues of personal _expression_, which I think may be harder (not impossible) to monetize or recoup the costs of putting together. Other themes like music,

Re: [videoblogging] re: Thinking outside the box...

2006-01-06 Thread Ron Watson
There we go, RIchard!Po: Video Blogging should not make money. What is the byproduct of that?Your post gets to some valid points that immediately make me feel good about our prospects in maintaining control over our media and the ability to distribute it.The idea that we can race them to the

[videoblogging] Re: Thinking outside the box...

2006-01-06 Thread Ms. Kitka
Ron is right. Some videobloggers NEED to make money. I, for example, had three hours of sleep last night and was woken up by a fire alarm at 4am (30 minutes after I lay down to sleep). I can barely open my eyes yet I'm at work anyways... why? Because I need the money to live on and I don't get

Re: [videoblogging] re: Thinking outside the box...

2006-01-06 Thread Frank Carver
Friday, January 6, 2006, 1:49:18 PM, Ron Watson wrote: If there is no money in media then there is no sense in controlling it, is there? But if there's no money in the media itself, then that leaves the field wide open for people and organizations willing to spend money to achieve other aims:

[videoblogging] Re: Thinking outside the box...

2006-01-06 Thread Bill Streeter
I call bullshit, on this. Videoblogging is communication. Communication has emensly more value than playing dominos. Anything that has value to *anyone* can be monitized. Anyone who has an audiance has value to offer someone else who wants to talk to that audiance. To say that no one should

Re: [videoblogging] re: Thinking outside the box...

2006-01-06 Thread Pete Prodoehl
Nerissa (TheVideoQueen) wrote: donations don't work--ask anyone in this group with a donation button on their site. I've gotten one donation. It worked quite well. It made me feel that the person really valued what I did, and though it wasn't a huge amount, I added it to the funds to

Re: [videoblogging] re: Thinking outside the box...

2006-01-06 Thread Stephanie Bryant
Why would you consider yourself in competition with those bankrolls, anyway? Are they capable of preventing you from making media? If not, then why do you think someone with an evangelist message will take audience share away from you, who do not? A friend of a friend is putting together (as soon

[videoblogging] Re: Thinking outside the box...

2006-01-06 Thread Richard Bennett-Forrest
Hi Bill, I call bullshit, on this. Anyone who has an audiance has value to offer someone else who wants to talk to that audiance. I believe the original point of this thread was to find income outside of advertising and also that selling your audience to a third party, is a moral issue. And

Re: [videoblogging] re: Thinking outside the box...

2006-01-06 Thread Michael Sullivan
its always great to give a donation.i have donated money to programmersusually because i make use of the software or feel they are providing a valuable free service. do you think they get a lot of donations? not usually i bet even Bram of BitTorrent barely got much donations and we all

Re: [videoblogging] re: Thinking outside the box...

2006-01-06 Thread Michael Sullivan
also, who has donated money to ourmedia.org, blip.tv, fireant, mefeedia or vlogdir and on and on... these are services... many make great use of and benefit from. if they cant get many random donations, you better believe that most vloggers wont either.On 1/6/06, Michael Sullivan

[videoblogging] Re: Thinking outside the box...

2006-01-06 Thread Bill Streeter
I'm not saying that there won't be an increase in content. I'm saying that the increase hardly matters when there is already more content than there are hours in a day. We've been at critical mass in terms of content even before the Internet came along. Content producers aren't just competing

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Thinking outside the box...

2006-01-06 Thread Pete Prodoehl
Bill Streeter wrote: But really, I gotta say, even the most mundane personal video blog has much more value than playing dominoes. How long until we see videoblogs about people playing dominoes? (That sounds like a Friday Challenge to me!) Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for

[videoblogging] Re: Thinking outside the box...

2006-01-06 Thread Richard Bennett-Forrest
On the topic of what a traditional video blog is, I gotta wonder Geez Bill, now you're trying to argue things I agree with. Do you actually read my emails? On the original point, we disagree. No extra couple of hundred words, and nit picking the technicalities of the argument is going to

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Thinking outside the box...

2006-01-06 Thread Markus Sandy
you're kidding, right?  =) http://chasingmills.blogspot.com/2006/01/dominoes.html Pete Prodoehl wrote: Bill Streeter wrote: But really, I gotta say, even the most mundane personal video blog has much more value than playing dominoes. How long until we see

[videoblogging] Re: Thinking outside the box...

2006-01-06 Thread Enric
It's not the activity -- dominnoes, taking garbage out, writing a letter, etc. -- that makes a scene interesting, but the narrative drama of characters. -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you're kidding, right? =)

Re: [videoblogging] re: Thinking outside the box...

2006-01-06 Thread Ted Tagami
You are spot on Frank. Those four are all birds-of-a-feather. It's about mindshare. There are quite a few vloggers that want their signal undiluted, and I can respect that.On 1/6/06, Frank Carver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Friday, January 6, 2006, 1:49:18 PM, Ron Watson wrote: If there is no

[videoblogging] Re: Thinking outside the box...

2006-01-06 Thread Matthew Clayfield
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ms. Kitka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The debate 'to be paid or not to be paid' is only here because we are in limbo... waiting for the mainstream to fully integrate the system vloggers and bloggers have set in motion. Wanting the mainstream to integrate