Re: [Videolib] what is a good word for "obsolete" media?

2015-06-09 Thread Meghann Matwichuk
I also use the world "legacy" when referring to 16mm, laserdisc, etc. I don't quite do that with VHS yet. -- Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Film and Video Collection Morris Library, University of Delaware 181 S. College Ave. Newark, DE 19717 (302) 831-1475 http://www.lib.udel.edu/f

Re: [Videolib] what is a good word for "obsolete" media?

2015-06-09 Thread Jessica Rosner
Not a library term but I prefer classic. I just attended a film festival of 4 days of features, shorts and cartoons all in 16mm and still regularly watch VHS. Jessica On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 8:19 AM, Meghann Matwichuk wrote: > I also use the world "legacy" when referring to 16mm, laserdisc, e

Re: [Videolib] what is a good word for "obsolete" media?

2015-06-09 Thread Shoaf,Judith P
To me, "legacy" and "heritage" are good words because they imply "media for which we ought to maintain playback equipment." The other day someone was trying to explain to me about a documentary film-maker who made films-"real films, on, you know, film, not video." Conversely, someone corrected a

[Videolib] The Video Project / Media Hub

2015-06-09 Thread Sarah E. McCleskey
Does anyone know what is up with this company?? I licensed 6 films from them to stream through their Media Hub platform about a year ago. Now when I try to access the platform, I get this message: The Video Project Digital MediaHUB is no longer functioning. We apologize for any inconvenience. W

[Videolib] obsolete formats

2015-06-09 Thread Moshiri, Farhad
How can we know a format is considered obsolete by law? Is there a government agency that declare this officially? I know VHS tapes are not yet considered obsolete. But what about audio cassette tapes? Farhad Moshiri, MLS Audiovisual Librarian University of the Incarnate Word J.E. & L.E. Mabee

Re: [Videolib] what is a good word for "obsolete" media?

2015-06-09 Thread Elena Rossi-Snook
Beautifully put, Judy. This is one of the discussion points we'll be addressing at the "AMIA@ALA" pre-conference in San Francisco ( http://connect.ala.org/node/232455), specifically during the section I'm chairing titled Using Films. I hope you don't mind my quoting your post since it articulates

Re: [Videolib] what is a good word for "obsolete" media?

2015-06-09 Thread David Crosthwait
We use the term "legacy" or "obsolete" formats. Certainly VHS is one of these "obsolete" recording schemes. Best Regards, David Crosthwait DC Video Transferring NTSC, PAL & SECAM Two Inch Quad and Helical Source Tapes (and More)! da...@dcvideo.com www.dcvideo.com Follow DC Video on Facebook:

Re: [Videolib] obsolete formats

2015-06-09 Thread Jessica Rosner
Too lazy to look up the exact wording but the law says can be considered obsolete if the equipment needed to play it is no longer available ( it may say manufactured ) I just checked on Amazon and oddly there are tons of brand new cassette players available in a variety of types. Jessica On Tue

Re: [Videolib] obsolete formats

2015-06-09 Thread Moshiri, Farhad
Thanks Jessica. But is there an official/legal declaration? This criteria of availability in the market or still being manufactured is a very subjective and loose criteria in today’s market when you can buy an equipment from any part of the world with a click. I’m sure there are many countries s

Re: [Videolib] obsolete formats

2015-06-09 Thread Jessica Rosner
Take a look at Amazon, they are clearly very widely available. I can imagine other formats that might be more complicated but here they are easily available directly from Amazon( and I suspect many other places) no issue of having to get them from overseas. Most electronics are made outside the US

Re: [Videolib] obsolete formats

2015-06-09 Thread Shoaf,Judith P
I just checked on Amazon and oddly there are tons of brand new cassette players available in a variety of types. Jessica * I think it depends on what was on the tapes. For example, 8-tracks were mostly for commercial material which, if it was preserved, migrated to other formats. No

[Videolib] The music industry's cassette comeback

2015-06-09 Thread Dylan McGinty
http://www.marketplace.org/topics/business/music-industrys-cassette-comeback From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 11:29 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] obsolete f

Re: [Videolib] obsolete formats

2015-06-09 Thread Jessica Rosner
I do not disagree but preservation is a seperate issue from what is legal defination of obsolete under the copyright law. For commercially produced and distributed (and I kind of assumed that what was being asked) which includes "educational" material sold on cassette is not an obsolete format. If

Re: [Videolib] The music industry's cassette comeback

2015-06-09 Thread Moshiri, Farhad
Thanks for all your feedback. I gather there is no “Official” / “Legal” agency to declare a format obsolete. It’s all based on our judgment. Farhad From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Dylan McGinty Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 10:3

Re: [Videolib] obsolete formats

2015-06-09 Thread Shoaf,Judith P
Right, Jessica. I was just commenting on your observation that cassette players are easily available. I think they are available because people still need them. But the link someone else sent regarding new material issued on tapes is relevant, too. Re. obsolete formats, though, my point that mo

Re: [Videolib] The music industry's cassette comeback

2015-06-09 Thread Jessica Rosner
No it is not based on judgement. The copyright law very clearly states that a format can only be determined as "obsolete" if the equipement to show it is no longer being made/ available I am not sure how much clearer it could be. The above applies to copyrighted materials so not sure how things l

Re: [Videolib] obsolete formats

2015-06-09 Thread Jessica Rosner
OK here is the exact defination of "obsolete" from the Copyright Law A format is obsolete if “if the machine or device necessary to render perceptible a work stored in that format is no longer manufactured or is no longer reasonably available in the commercial marketplace.” Cassette players are s

Re: [Videolib] The Video Project / Media Hub

2015-06-09 Thread Sarah E. McCleskey
Hi everyone, Just got off the phone with Craig Malina from The Video Project. Turns out the Media Hub was taken offline very recently (yesterday!) and we were able to sort out very agreeable alternative access to the titles I licensed. If you have titles licensed from Video Project I urge you t

Re: [Videolib] The music industry's cassette comeback

2015-06-09 Thread Sarah E. McCleskey
Yes but there is a distinction to be made for copyright purposes between formats that are “obsolete” and formats that are damaged or deteriorating. See https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/108 Also, and I’m quoting deg here, where he was talking about Forsberg and Howard Besser and Piil’s

Re: [Videolib] obsolete formats

2015-06-09 Thread Grant, Tyra
It might be useful to add the term “obsolescent” into the mix: Obsolescent media or technology would be in the process of becoming obsolete Tyra Grant University of Kansas Libraries From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosne