[VIHUELA] Re: Why re-entrant tuning?

2006-10-15 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
Monica Hall wrote: Recently I was able to borrow a cittern for a few months and the advantages of a re-entrant tuning were immediatly obvious as soon as I began to play (rather badly) with a plectrum. If you are strumming chords it doesn't matter if the lowest sounding course is in the middle

[VIHUELA] Re: Why re-entrant tuning?

2006-10-15 Thread Monica Hall
Do you think that the Spanish tuning with a bourdon and upper octave in the 4th course [gg'-c'c'-e'e'-a'(a')] is an early form of semi-re-entrant tuning? Or, is it more like an analogue to the upper octave strings in the lute's bass courses? Would it depend on whether the bourdon is on the

[VIHUELA] Re: Why re-entrant tuning?

2006-10-15 Thread Stuart Walsh
Monica Hall wrote: Recently I was able to borrow a cittern for a few months and the advantages of a re-entrant tuning were immediatly obvious as soon as I began to play (rather badly) with a plectrum. If you are strumming chords it doesn't matter if the lowest sounding course is in the

[VIHUELA] Re: Why re-entrant tuning?

2006-10-15 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
As an example of campanela playing (without plectrum) look at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfJ_rHp8Uas Be sure to be well seated To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[VIHUELA] Re: Why re-entrant tuning?

2006-10-15 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
As I understand it, there is a lot going on in Turkish music these days, a bit like in Flamenco. I saw this player live in Amsterdam, together with a (youth) stringorchestra. In a 'new' sort of pastiche 'baglama-concerto'. (It's a baglama, not really a saz) He is amazing. I think he uses a

[VIHUELA] Re: Why re-entrant tuning?

2006-10-15 Thread Benjamin Narvey
*Wow*...that is thoroughly gobsmacking. I love the way he strums with his m a fingers - very interesting! Well found Lex! Best Benjamin On 15/10/06, Stuart Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lex Eisenhardt wrote: As an example of campanela playing (without plectrum) look at:

[VIHUELA] Re: Why re-entrant tuning?

2006-10-15 Thread Monica Hall
If you are strumming chords it doesn't matter if the lowest sounding course is in the middle but having treble strings outermost makes the playing of a single melodic line with up and down strokes of the plectum much easier and cleaner. That is an interesting thought. If we compare to the

[VIHUELA] Re: Why re-entrant tuning?

2006-10-15 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
Dear Monica As I understand this CS2 is from the late 17th c. It is hard to tell if -and how- the mutual influence from cittern and guitar has worked out. It certainly could be a subject where we guitarists could learn some. I wanted to ask you if you played your wire string guitar with a

[VIHUELA] Re: Why re-entrant tuning?

2006-10-15 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Lex, Many years ago I made a battente for a customer (from Italy - talk about coals to Newcastle) and recall having problems with getting 'authentic' iron/steel strings (I used harpsichord wire from Thomas I recall up to pitch (even as low as a tone below modern): the trebles kept

[VIHUELA] Re: Why re-entrant tuning?

2006-10-15 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
Martyn, The stringlength is 67, the pitch 415. I relied on Sebastian's advice in the choice of the strings. I hope he can give you the details of the manufacturing. It works well, not too many stringbreaks, although tuning is certainly a bit problematic. Sebastian made bass strings of twisted

[VIHUELA] Re: Why re-entrant tuning?

2006-10-15 Thread Monica Hall
According to Ian Harwood's book on the Rose bandora gut was often used for the highest course on wire strung instruments because suitable wire was not available. Apparently the instrument is strung like that now. Monica Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Why re-entrant tuning? Martyn, The stringlength

[VIHUELA] Re: Why re-entrant tuning?

2006-10-15 Thread Monica Hall
] Re: Why re-entrant tuning? Dear Monica As I understand this CS2 is from the late 17th c. It is hard to tell if -and how- the mutual influence from cittern and guitar has worked out. It certainly could be a subject where we guitarists could learn some. It would be difficult to date. The

[VIHUELA] Re: Why re-entrant tuning?

2006-10-15 Thread EUGENE BRAIG IV
A little peripheral, but this was the case on the early Neapolitan mandolin as well: e in gut. Eugene - Original Message - From: Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, October 15, 2006 12:30 pm Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Why re-entrant tuning? According to Ian Harwood's book on the