I don't think groups these recordings really have any insight into the
sensibilities of 17th century players.
Perhaps you know Agostino Agazzari article 'Del sonare sopra il basso',
published in 1607? It among other interesting matters makes it very clear
that the orchestration could be _very_
I suppose it could be said that the guitar would be covered by his
etc...
Also note he only mentions the 'chitarrino' (small 4 course
instrument?) in his list of embellishing instruments and omits
the larger (5 course) guitar. This, I suggest, implies that the guitar
does
I suppose it could be said that the guitar would be covered by his
etc...
Also note he only mentions the 'chitarrino' (small 4 course
instrument?) in his list of embellishing instruments and omits
the larger (5 course) guitar. This, I suggest, implies that the guitar
does indeed
Thanks Lex
Well, I don't have a facsimile of Agazzari to hand so took the
(translated) text from this recommended ('excellent') translation (see
below) which gives 'chitarrino' . Does Agazzari write 'chitarrina' in
the original source? And what is a 'chitarrina' rather than,
Well, Oliver Strunk writes chitarrino. As far as I know, chitarrino, 4
course renaissance guitar, was not at all unknown in Italy in times of
Agazzari... But I have never heard about chitarrina, but of course that
does not exclude its existence... ;-)
best regards,
Arto
On Sun, 11 Dec 2011
On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 17:03:13 +0200, wikla wrote
Well, Oliver Strunk writes chitarrino. As far as I know,
chitarrino, 4 course renaissance guitar, was not at all unknown in
Italy in times of Agazzari...
Hmm, as if there where a fixed terminology at that time ... Thank's to
those silly
In the anonymous collection Conserto vago (published in Rome in 1645) there
is a part for a chitarrino a quatro corde alla napolitana, here probably
used for lute type, in plucked textures. Its tuning, with a fifth between
the third and fourth courses, is essentially different from that of
Ralf makes a great case that we can't assume chitarrino means
guitar (I must try that pasta sometime), but maybe there's a bit of
evidence here in what Lex says that shows the 4-course guitar was still
active in the 17^th century, even in printed music.
Jocelyn
Well, Oliver
(Apologies in advance if this is too far off topic!)
Ah yes, one of my favorite instruments!
The double-sided, wire strung chitarra di pasta (tuned with a key, and
played with a primitive form of solid bow):
[1]http://thefrontburner.us/main/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Chitarra-64
The only one I was able to access was number four. It sounded
delicious.
Jocelyn
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Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 12:54:37 -0500
Cc: Vihuelalist [2]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Agazzari guitar [was Re: Capona?]
(Apologies in
What I was commenting on is the way the singers interpret the text.
Monica
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On 11/12/2011 16:17, R. Mattes wrote:
Hmm, as if there where a fixed terminology at that time ... Thank's to
those silly humanists writers, from the end of the 15. century on
writers started to use 'chitarra' for all sorts of stinged instuments
(plucked). So we have chitarra for 'lute'
On 11/12/2011 16:54, Lex Eisenhardt wrote:
By its tuning, the chitarrino napolitana from Conserto vago does not
link up with the alfabeto tradition, as does Millioni’s chitarrino
Italiana. If Agazzari had a chitarrino napolitana in mind—hand plucked
or played with a plectrum, then there is
Renato Meucci.
RT
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Ancient Greek lute, ancestor of Balkan tamburas.
RT
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Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Agazzari guitar [was Re:
On 11/12/2011 18:39, Roman Turovsky wrote:
Ancient Greek lute, ancestor of Balkan tamburas.
RT
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I think Oliver Strunk is wrong. I have read the relevant passages in
Agazzari and according to my notes the instrument in question is referred
to as a chitarrina.
That said I don't think that you can make a clear distinction simply on the
basis of variant spelling.
What Agazzarri says is
A pandora is a lute shaped wire-strung instrument. It is one of the
instruments which forms part of the broken consort for which Morley et al
composed music.
Monica
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RT
From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
A pandora is a lute shaped wire-strung instrument. It is one of the
instruments which forms part of the broken consort for which Morley et al
composed music.
Monica
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I am afraid that we have opened the Pandora's box ... ;-)
Arto
On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 18:55:52 -, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
wrote:
A pandora is a lute shaped wire-strung instrument. It is one of the
instruments which forms part of the broken consort for which Morley et al
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When it comes to plucked stringed instruments that is certainly true.
Monica
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Dear Monica,
The pandora or bandora is not shaped like a lute. It is like a big
orpharion, and has wiggly sides.
Best wishes,
Stewart McCoy.
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