[VIHUELA] Re: advice on 'passacailles'/chaconnes

2007-11-05 Thread Monica Hall
nor key which matched this. Both Guerau and Murcia include passacalles in common time. The real point is that these dances were not Italian in the first place, but Spanish. By the time they were taken up in Italy they may have acquired other charactersitics. Monica -

[VIHUELA] Re: advice on 'passacailles'/chaconnes

2007-11-05 Thread Martyn Hodgson
e passacalles in common time. The real point is that these dances were not Italian in the first place, but Spanish. By the time they were taken up in Italy they may have acquired other charactersitics. Monica ----- Original Message - From: Martyn Hodgson To: Monica Hall ; Vihuela Net

[VIHUELA] Re: advice on 'passacailles'/chaconnes

2007-11-04 Thread Monica Hall
huela Net Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: advice on 'passacailles'/chaconnes I can't agree with this Monica: that all that distinguished the two forms was the harmonic formula. As outlined in my earlier response, it is primarily the placin

[VIHUELA] Re: advice on 'passacailles'/chaconnes

2007-11-04 Thread Martyn Hodgson
I can't agree with this Monica: that all that distinguished the two forms was the harmonic formula. As outlined in my earlier response, it is primarily the placing of the accent and number of beats in a bar (especially in the earlier, original, form) - as also mentioned, this soon became co

[VIHUELA] Re: advice on 'passacailles'/chaconnes

2007-11-03 Thread Monica Hall
I am still not exactly sure which ones you are referring to without the folio numbers. There is a Passacaille in A minor called Bonne (which I think just means good in the context), on f. 27v. It is possible that this is by Bartolotti. It looks sort of Italian. The passacaille on f. 27 and t

[VIHUELA] Re: advice on 'passacailles'/chaconnes

2007-11-03 Thread Stuart Walsh
Monica Hall wrote: I am curious to know which ones you are playing. The relationship between the two forms is complex. In Gallot from f.117to .f.123v some of the the pieces are called passacaglio and others chiacona. All are actually from Corbetta's 1643 book. They don't have individual ti

[VIHUELA] Re: advice on 'passacailles'/chaconnes

2007-11-03 Thread Stuart Walsh
Martyn Hodgson wrote: The ciaconna (lItaly early 17thC) was originally fast with a syncopated triple rythm: l l l l 0 / l 0 l 0 (where l = a crotchet; 0 = semibreve; / = bar line) with the accent on the second crotchet of each bar. As well as for dance movements, various composers w

[VIHUELA] Re: advice on 'passacailles'/chaconnes

2007-11-03 Thread Monica Hall
I am curious to know which ones you are playing. The relationship between the two forms is complex. In Gallot from f.117to .f.123v some of the the pieces are called passacaglio and others chiacona. All are actually from Corbetta's 1643 book. They don't have individual titles but in the inde

[VIHUELA] Re: advice on 'passacailles'/chaconnes

2007-11-03 Thread Martyn Hodgson
The ciaconna (lItaly early 17thC) was originally fast with a syncopated triple rythm: l l l l 0 / l 0 l 0 (where l = a crotchet; 0 = semibreve; / = bar line) with the accent on the second crotchet of each bar. As well as for dance movements, various composers wrote vocal pieces to