: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 11:24 am
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: dedillo
To: Monica Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: Vihuelalist
> thank you, monica. actually, i knew that ... just got
> a little disoriented with all these wizzing fingers.
>
> i'm sure there's a degree of subti
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Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: dedillo
thank you - my thumb over technigue doesn't exist and
it's a relief to know tha
John,
Is the Portuguese guitar you mention the 4-course like the Renaissance guitar
and the uke?
Jocelyn
From: John Griffiths [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tue 10/30/2007 8:41 PM
To: vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: dedillo
My two
My two-penneth worth is that we have two main ways of learning about
dedillo from contemporary practice. One is from the variety of
techniques used in vihuela/guitarra-derivatives in Latin America,
such as the charango and various others. The second is the Portuguese
guitar that has continu
in watching the videos i mentioned earlier, i find
that for me - sans pick - if i expose the full face of
the fingernail (index or middle) to the string (as if
i were "buffing" it with the strings) i get a not
half-bad sound. the "half flesh/half nail" is
probably louder but i get a faster "trill"
At 07:00 PM 10/30/2007, Stuart Walsh wrote:
>Is the vihuela the only instrument that uses this technique? I don't
>think there is anything like it in 4 or 5 course guitar, or any kind of
>lute, technique. There couldn't be anything in the construction of the
>instrument that makes this a more l
Net'
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might be "spam" related. it happened to me once and i
felt just awful about it (my italian server was to
blame ...)
in ralph maier's excellent article there&#
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> Date: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 4:03 pm
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At 06:27 PM 10/30/2007, RALPH MAIER wrote:
>...and index and middle finger (like modern guitarists). The last was
>apparently Fuenllana's fingering of choice.
Intriguing. Also like what Guerau recommended for scalar passages on
treble courses in his guitar book.
Eugene
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October 30, 2007 4:03 pm
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: dedillo
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> archiving (is that a word?) problems from your address
> might be "spam" related. it happened to me once and i
> felt just awful about it (my italian server was to
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At 05:25 AM 10/30/2007, bill kilpatrick wrote:
>not sure what the difference is between tremolo and
>dedillo...
Depending, both techniques can coincide. Dedillo is striking the string
with both the up and downstroke, or both the contraction and extension, of
a finger. Tremolo is the rapid rep
Piccinini says (Cap. XXXI):
>
> Le Tirate segno dello Strascino, si faranno come ho gia deto di sopra
> nel Cap. XXV. e li gruppi similmente strascinati riescano assai bene, ma
> sono però inscipidi, e perciò a farli con un deto si come pur si è detto
> al Cap. IX. riescano ancor in Eccelenza nel C
> The sound quality of dedillo is, I think, unsatisfactory, because of
> the difference in sound between strings plucked by the nail and the
> flesh of the finger. If the vihuelists also found it unsatisfactory,
> why did they play dedillo? The only compensatory factor I can think
> of is speed. In
> it's difficult for me to see the details properly but
> following david hockney's "secret knowledge" expose on
> the painterly use of prisms and mirrors,
Hockney's "expose" has already been debunked, many times over.
RT
http://polyhymnion.org
_
it's difficult for me to see the details properly but
following david hockney's "secret knowledge" expose on
the painterly use of prisms and mirrors, the "left"
hand in the illustration may be a reflection of a
"right" hand.
sweet dreams.
- bill
--- Rob MacKillop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OK
Here it is:
http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/spencer/html/Page%20415.html
..care of Robert Spencer, OUP and David Van Edwards.
Rob
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That's right Peter. And where did I see a painting of a lute player
(Mersenne?) with a plectrum tied to his index finger? Is it in the Grove
entry on the lute?
Rob
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From: Peter Forrester [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 12 June 2005 17:17
To: vihuela and baroque guitar
S
I think I can hear Jacob Heringman doing a successful dedillo passage on his
Luis Milan (songs) recording in some of the fantasia solos.
Kenneth
In a message dated 6/8/2005 10:22:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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This is an interesting point. I have never heard anyone p
thanks to howard, i now have a better idea of what
this is. in dance music particularly, it could be an
attractive way to state the melody in contrast to a
rhythmic passage.
- bill
--- Martin Shepherd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> If I remember correctly, Piccinini (1623) used it
Dear All,
If I remember correctly, Piccinini (1623) used it on the liuto
attiorbato as well.
Best wishes,
Martin
James A Stimson wrote:
>
>
>Dear Ed, Rob and All:
> Isn't all Indian sitar playing dedillo? That is, I believe the strings are
>plucked exclusively with the right-hand index finger
bill kilpatrick wrote:
> is dedillo the same as redobles - fast, single line
> passage(s)?
No. Dedillo is a way of playing passages of that sort using only the index
finger, presumably in the manner of a plectrum. It's occasionally marked in
vihuela sources.
HP
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is dedillo the same as redobles - fast, single line
passage(s)?
one could work up a good sized blister on the end of
your finger doing this - real quick. a pick is so
much better.
- bill
--- James A Stimson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
>
>
> Dear Ed, Rob and All:
> Isn't all Indian s
Dear Ed, Rob and All:
Isn't all Indian sitar playing dedillo? That is, I believe the strings are
plucked exclusively with the right-hand index finger, onto which is fitted
a pointed wire loop, which serves as a plectrum. (Shades of Francesco's
silver thimbles!) There must be somebody out there
This is an interesting point. I have never heard anyone perform the
dedillo successfully, with the exception of Ronn McFarlane, who (if my
memory serves me correctly) used it on some Milan pieces in an older solo
CD of his.
Other than that, I know of nobody who now uses it.
ed
At 09:49 PM
never heard of it before - thanks a lot.
just tried it - as described by dante - on the
charango and it worked very nicely in conjunction with
rasgueo.
sort of an acoustic reverb.
- bill
--- Dante Rosati <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi-
>
> my theory is that dedillo was used first because i
Interesting topic!
So you want to know how to play dedillo? >:)
If you live in the U.S., just go to a good Mexican restaurant with a good
Mariachi band.
I was in a local restaurant a few months ago and the duo who was serenading the
patrons had stopped at our table. I observed that the one playe
Hi-
my theory is that dedillo was used first because it is what you do when you
are used to playing with a plectrum and decide to try fingers. That way, the
thumb is held against the index finger as if you are holding a pick, but
then you use the index finger tip instead of the pick that could be
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