Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-28 Thread Jared
e: > >>>>> Haven't really tried 8-dot much but there's certainly a similar lag > >>>>> between > >>>>> > >>>>> transfer from the display's clipboard and the phone. > >>>>> > >>>>> Carol P &

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-27 Thread Scott Davert
s-ipad-iphone-ipod-touch-voiceover/3-ways-possibly-speed-your >>>> >>>> Scott >>>> >>>> On 8/22/15, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone >>>> wrote: >>>>> Haven't really tried 8-dot much but there

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-25 Thread Amy Ruell
peed-your >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> On 8/22/15, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone >>> wrote: >>>> Haven't really tried 8-dot much but there's certainly a similar lag >>>> between >>>> >&g

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-25 Thread Scott Davert
>> >> On 8/22/15, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone >> wrote: >>> Haven't really tried 8-dot much but there's certainly a similar lag >>> between >>> >>> transfer from the display's clipboard and the phone.

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-24 Thread Mary Otten
; transfer from the display's clipboard and the phone. >> >> Carol P >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Flor Lynch" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 2:00 AM >> Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille d

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-24 Thread Amy Ruell
clipboard and the phone. >> >> Carol P >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Flor Lynch" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 2:00 AM >> Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display >> >> >&g

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-24 Thread Scott Davert
sage - > From: "Flor Lynch" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 2:00 AM > Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display > > > How does this issue fare - if it pertains - in eight-dot, or Computer, > Braille? Does one still see the same

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-22 Thread 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone
Haven't really tried 8-dot much but there's certainly a similar lag between transfer from the display's clipboard and the phone. Carol P - Original Message - From: "Flor Lynch" To: Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 2:00 AM Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-21 Thread Andrew Lamanche
es one still see the same time lag transferring between the > display's clipboard, and the phone? > > -Original Message- From: Andrew Lamanche > Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 9:36 PM > To: VIPhone > Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-21 Thread Flor Lynch
t: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Hi Carol, I've written to one of the tech people at HIMS to let them know about the lag in writing and correcting text using Smart Beetle. I am not sure - nor do I hold my breath - whether they will take note of the problem. But I t

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-21 Thread Flor Lynch
Also try the dots 1-4-5-spacebar for delete. (d-chord) to delete messages. Did you get a Braille manual with the Smart Beetle? You can use your Braille keyboard as input too, presumably with any enabled PC also. In iOS, press the k with spacebar to get into VO Help, then press any key or key co

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-16 Thread 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone
Have written you off list. Carol P - Original Message - From: "Andrew Lamanche" To: "VIPhone" Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 9:36 PM Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Hi Carol, I've written to one of the tech people at HIMS t

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-15 Thread Andrew Lamanche
free to use that delete key! > > Please keep in touch with me with any developments, Andrew, and I'll do the > same. > > Cheers and thanks for your input on this. > > Carol P > > - Original Message - From: "Andrew Lamanche" > To: "VIPhone&

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-15 Thread 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone
to bore everyone to death. Anyway, folks, please feel free to use that delete key! Please keep in touch with me with any developments, Andrew, and I'll do the same. Cheers and thanks for your input on this. Carol P - Original Message - From: "Andrew Lamanche" To: &qu

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-15 Thread 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone
to bore everyone to death. Anyway, folks, please feel free to use that delete key! Please keep in touch with me with any developments, Andrew, and I'll do the same. Cheers and thanks for your input on this. Carol P - Original Message - From: "Andrew Lamanche" To: &qu

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-15 Thread Andrew Lamanche
x27;ll keep for further > reference. > > Carol P > > - Original Message - From: "Andrew Lamanche" > To: "VIPhone" > Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 6:15 PM > Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display > > > Hi Car

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-14 Thread 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
and were having > to wait for it to be translated into the phone, and that wasn't what I > wanted! > > Can you try this out, please, and let me know what you think. > > Thanks. > > Thanks also for the instructions you gave below, which I'll keep for > furth

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-14 Thread Christopher Chaltain
amanche" To: "VIPhone" Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Hi Carol, Yes, at present you have to pair Smart Beetle as BrailleSense because Apple has not as yet incorporated the Smart Beetle driver into its ope

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-14 Thread Jim Portillo
ups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Devin Prater >> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:29 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display >> >> Wow, that's Pretty cool, but likely expensi

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-14 Thread Devin Prater
alified buyers is also > available. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Devin Prater > Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:29 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refre

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-14 Thread Amy Ruell
ailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Devin Prater >> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:29 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display >> >> Wow, that's Pretty cool, but likely expensive so o

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-14 Thread Jim Portillo
ed buyers is also > available. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Devin Prater > Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:29 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Bra

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-14 Thread 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone
this out, please, and let me know what you think. Thanks. Thanks also for the instructions you gave below, which I'll keep for further reference. Carol P - Original Message - From: "Andrew Lamanche" To: "VIPhone" Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 6:15 PM Subje

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-14 Thread 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone
this out, please, and let me know what you think. Thanks. Thanks also for the instructions you gave below, which I'll keep for further reference. Carol P - Original Message - From: "Andrew Lamanche" To: "VIPhone" Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 6:15 PM Subje

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-14 Thread Annie Skov Nielsen
Hi. I would say that 20 cells is better than 14, but maybe I am wrong, maybe 14 cells are enough? I am in doubt. I have used 8 dots braille for many years now, but you can write the same in 6 dots braille maybe sometimes with 2 commands. As I see it the difference on 6 dots and 8 dots (compute

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-14 Thread Aman Singer
Hi Jim and all, I have used both devices. The Smart beetle (SB) I returned, the VarioUltra (VU) I am currently trying. I have split this message into two parts. First, to respond to your request, Jim, about the differences, and the second to say why I gave up on the SB. 1. The obvious diff

RE: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-14 Thread Amy Ruel
: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Wow, that's Pretty cool, but likely expensive so only rehab agencies can really afford it lol. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 14, 2015, at 5:59 AM, Amy Ruel wrote: > > Helli Jim and all, > F

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-14 Thread Devin Prater
: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Jim Portillo > Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:26 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display > > Has anyone compared this to the Vario Ultra? I would

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-14 Thread Andrew Lamanche
Hi Carol, Yes, at present you have to pair Smart Beetle as BrailleSense because Apple has not as yet incorporated the Smart Beetle driver into its operating systems. However, HIMS provide instructions on how to make Smart Beetle appear as BrailleSense. Once i took the initial steps to accompl

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-14 Thread 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone
Andrew, How did you manage to pair it and which of the keyboard settings are you using? I saw one, as demo, but we couldn't pair it at the time and it seemed to be because you had to pair it as Braille Sense, or something. Please tell me what you did etc? I did like the look and feel of it

RE: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-14 Thread Amy Ruel
10:14 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Hello Andy, There is a 6-month option to pay through PayPal without interest for those who qualify. And, since you live close, we could provide you with some orientation and limited training. Let

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-14 Thread Andrew J. LaPointe
: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Hello Andy, There is a 6-month option to pay through PayPal without interest for those who qualify. And, since you live close, we could provide you with some orientation and limited training. Let me know if I

RE: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-14 Thread Amy Ruel
@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew J. LaPointe Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 10:11 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Hi Amy, does this firm have a way to pay monthly for the 40 cell product? Andy

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-14 Thread Andrew J. LaPointe
Hi Amy, does this firm have a way to pay monthly for the 40 cell product? Andy -Original Message- From: Amy Ruel Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 6:59 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Helli Jim and all, Full disclosure, I

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-14 Thread Jim Portillo
roups.com] On Behalf Of > Jim Portillo > Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:26 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display > > Has anyone compared this to the Vario Ultra? I would love to know any major > differences. Sent f

RE: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-14 Thread Amy Ruel
Ruell -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Portillo Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:26 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display Has anyone compared this to the Vario Ultra? I

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-14 Thread Andrew Lamanche
I haven’t seen Vario ultra but reading about it I think I remember that Vario Ultra has 20 cells and not 14 so admittedly allows you more text and less panning but it is very expensive - over £2000 in Britain. On 14 Aug 2015, at 06:26, Jim Portillo wrote: > Has anyone compared this to the Vario

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-14 Thread Andrew Lamanche
Just want to write a correction: Smart Beetle does have 8 keys so that you can write computer braille. The bluetooth keyboard emulation I think has more to do with using it with a mac computer where you can simulate control keys but I don’t understand this well yet. On 14 Aug 2015, at 09:16, An

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-14 Thread Anne Günther
Hi Jim Let me say that I own neither of the two, and have only read about both. So far, I can think of two major differences. 1.: The smart beetle has six dot buttons that can be used for writing. The vario ultra has eight. Soo if you want to regularly write computer braille, the vario might be

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-13 Thread Jim Portillo
Has anyone compared this to the Vario Ultra? I would love to know any major differences. Sent from my iPhone 6! > On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:22 PM, Andrew Lamanche wrote: > > It's on special offer till 30 September from Sight and Sound in the UK for > £799, including a very nice and sturdy leather

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-13 Thread Andrew Lamanche
It's on special offer till 30 September from Sight and Sound in the UK for £799, including a very nice and sturdy leather carrying case. Andrew > On 13 Aug 2015, at 21:59, Devin Prater wrote: > > Wow, how much does this display cost? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:47 PM,

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-13 Thread Gmail
To flick up or down on an iPhone with one finger using a Braille display, you press space with dot 3 to flick up and space with dot 6 to flick down, respectively. Space with dots 1-4-56 will scroll down the screen, and space with dots 3-4-5-6 will scroll up the screen. Thanks, Ari > On Aug 13

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-13 Thread Devin Prater
Wow, how much does this display cost? Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Andrew Lamanche wrote: > > Listers, > > It's arrived: my new tiny, 14 cell refreshable Braille display produced by > HIMS. Nervous as I was ordering it from Sight and Sound in the UK, I feel > I'm gon

Re: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-13 Thread Andrew Lamanche
Richard, This is very helpful. Thank you very much. Also, are you aware of any podcasts / training materials on the use of refreshable Braille display with iOS devices? I'm also puzzled about this feature of Smart Beetle being able to emulate a bluetooth keyboard. Are you aware of this? Ha

RE: Smart Beetle 14 cells refreshable Braille display

2015-08-13 Thread Richard Turner
You have to keep the device unlocked for all braille displays. When you lock the device, the screen blanks out, so sighted people can't read on their device when locked either. If you have the rotor on action, I believe it is spacebar plus dots 3,4,5,6 or dots 1,4,5,6 to swipe up or down like yo