Re: The Apple Braille Crisis. It's Got to be Fixed for our Kids

2013-09-21 Thread denise avant
Hello Jonathan, I agree with your position in this matter. I learned Braille as a teenager and use it every day in my profession. I do not know what I would do without it, and I am not the fastest Braille reader in the world. I just wonder if APPle has not devoted the resources to Braille suppo

Re: The Apple Braille Crisis. It's Got to be Fixed for our Kids

2013-09-20 Thread Mario Barbuto
I find in the IOS Braille support. Warmly, Mario. - messaggio originale - da: Jonathan Mosen a: "viphone@googlegroups.com" data: venerdÄ›, 20 settembre 2013 10:10 oggetto: The Apple Braille Crisis. It's Got to be Fixed for our Kids > > > Hi everyone, since

Re: The Apple Braille Crisis. It's Got to be Fixed for our Kids

2013-09-20 Thread Arianna
Anna, I can say that I agree with you here. Contractions are a Godsend. I do think that they can become problematic when tought to early, though. Anyway, I'll shut up about that, as it's not exactly relevant to iOS devices, and straying more into the topic of Braille in general. :) I was quite

Re: The Apple Braille Crisis. It's Got to be Fixed for our Kids

2013-09-20 Thread Woody Anna Dresner
Hi, I agree with Jonathan's post. And while computer braille is very useful for programming and such, contracted braille is vitally important for anyone who wants to read quickly. I have read many, many books aloud to my son, and I can't imagine that I could read uncontracted braille quickly en

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2013-09-20 Thread Cara Quinn
say so on the matter as it concerns my views and experience with use of Braille. Joseph - Original Message ----- From: "Isaac Hebert" To: Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 3:49 AM Subject: Re: The Apple Braille Crisis. It's Got to be Fixed for our Kids Yes we should change

Re: The Apple Braille Crisis. It's Got to be Fixed for our Kids

2013-09-20 Thread Tracy
f that. I'm going to give it a try. - Original Message - From: "Joseph FreeTech" To: Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 2:16 PM Subject: Re: The Apple Braille Crisis. It's Got to be Fixed for our Kids Hi guys, hate to be the dissenting opinion, but as a totally blind p

Re: The Apple Braille Crisis. It's Got to be Fixed for our Kids

2013-09-20 Thread Peter Durieux
or the sake of proponents of > Braille use, it is hear for the acquisition of knowledge as shared by all on > the list, which means I too have some say so on the matter as it concerns my > views and experience with use of Braille. > > Joseph > > - Original Message - >

Re: The Apple Braille Crisis. It's Got to be Fixed for our Kids

2013-09-20 Thread Annie Skov Nielsen
Hi David. The poor children need to have time to learn all these things. I have not learned printed letters at all, I have not been missing them. Having said that all blind children and adults who cares about braille should learn computer braille or better 8 dots braille, in fact I agree that c

Re: The Apple Braille Crisis. It's Got to be Fixed for our Kids

2013-09-20 Thread Joseph FreeTech
t;Isaac Hebert" To: Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 3:49 AM Subject: Re: The Apple Braille Crisis. It's Got to be Fixed for our Kids Yes we should change all braille to computer braille. On 9/20/13, David Chittenden wrote: > Actually, we need to change all braille to computer brail

Re: The Apple Braille Crisis. It's Got to be Fixed for our Kids

2013-09-20 Thread Joanne Chua
Hi all Good article JM. However, i don't see how it will get fix if there are different versions of Braille available. Just say English Braille itself, how many varians itself in English Braille? Even UEB itself can be different from different country. I do agree with David C though, i think the

Re: The Apple Braille Crisis. It's Got to be Fixed for our Kids

2013-09-20 Thread Isaac Hebert
Yes we should change all braille to computer braille. On 9/20/13, David Chittenden wrote: > Actually, we need to change all braille to computer braille. This way, we > become better able to match our sighted peers. Our spelling will > dramatically improve, and we will experience text much more th

Re: The Apple Braille Crisis. It's Got to be Fixed for our Kids

2013-09-20 Thread David Chittenden
Actually, we need to change all braille to computer braille. This way, we become better able to match our sighted peers. Our spelling will dramatically improve, and we will experience text much more the way sighted people experience it. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com

Re: The Apple Braille Crisis. It's Got to be Fixed for our Kids

2013-09-20 Thread David Chittenden
I know my thoughts on this topic are in the extreme minority. I grew up learning braille. Fortunately, my mother also insisted I learn print, and taught me using plastic letter magnets. My first notetaker was a Braille 'n Speak 640. I used it for taking notes in university training courses. Bec

Re: The Apple Braille Crisis. It's Got to be Fixed for our Kids

2013-09-20 Thread Carol Pearson
Jonathan, Annie and all, I agree totally with your sentiments, but do feel that, along with suggestions so far, there needs to be a big push for schools to keep it a priority for children to learn thoroughlyand use braille every day. My gut feeling is that Apple really does need to call upon t

Re: The Apple Braille Crisis. It's Got to be Fixed for our Kids

2013-09-20 Thread shaf
Absolutely agreed. I have forwarded your email to accessibil...@apple.com. I'd suggest everybody else who cares about this topic also does that--but write something in your own words too. -Shaf On 9/20/13, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: > Hi Jonathan. > > I agree with you. I have some things to add.

Re: The Apple Braille Crisis. It's Got to be Fixed for our Kids

2013-09-20 Thread Jesper Holten
Hi Jonathan. As always you are nailing things down very well. I fully agree and support your writing. If we take this a step further and step outside the English speaking contries. Braille implementation is even poorer than what you describe. No contractions in 8-dot braille, poor and faulty back

Re: The Apple Braille Crisis. It's Got to be Fixed for our Kids

2013-09-20 Thread Annie Skov Nielsen
Hi Jonathan. I agree with you. I have some things to add. I am using braille very much on my IPhone, because I am a braille user, I am not using speech very much. to me it is also a problem, that there are no ways you can go to the next line with the left hand, and many keyboard commands such

The Apple Braille Crisis. It's Got to be Fixed for our Kids

2013-09-20 Thread Jonathan Mosen
Hi everyone, since I believe this is such a vital issue, and given that it is 100% on-topic for this list, I would like to paste below an entry I just posted to my blog. I hope you enjoy it and that you'll give it some thought. People from all walks of life, not just blind people, can get extrem