Re: [VoiceOps] No-commit international calling

2023-07-14 Thread Jared Geiger via VoiceOps
Just wanted to add some more details to what Dovid mentioned. Many European countries do offer a non surcharge rate for US and Canada originated traffic. There are a few countries that put US/Canada in a different bucket where there is a surcharge, but its not the maximum. Then there are some

Re: [VoiceOps] No-commit international calling

2023-07-14 Thread Tim Bray via VoiceOps
On 13/07/2023 20:34, Ross Tajvar via VoiceOps wrote: I have an asterisk PBX for personal/business use. I use Flowroute for both origination and termination. Recently I've started needing to make some international calls (specifically mostly to the UK, but also some other places in Europe

Re: [VoiceOps] No-commit international calling

2023-07-13 Thread David Knell via VoiceOps
Hi Ross - I've used Voxbeam forever and they're pretty good, although not glitch-free with the current state of international calling as other folk have already highlighted. Their payment verification is to protect against fraud, which is also rife in the international calling sector. We just

Re: [VoiceOps] No-commit international calling

2023-07-13 Thread Alex Balashov via VoiceOps
Blimey. International fraud really has got that bad, then!I'd also be interested in a very low-volume personal solution. I'll bet I'm not the only one. The natural solution is for someone running a retail SIP provider on the list who has good international routes to offer accounts to established

Re: [VoiceOps] No-commit international calling

2023-07-13 Thread Ross Tajvar via VoiceOps
Thanks all for the replies. Jay - I'm looking for "no-commit" for a reason :) I use this for my own calls (personal and business) and spend maybe $20 in a busy month (including DIDs). If your retail offering includes a SIP product, though, I'm open to it. A higher per-minute rate (within reason)

Re: [VoiceOps] No-commit international calling

2023-07-13 Thread jay binks via VoiceOps
Ill Totally agree with Dovid here, It's a huge mess, and a massive PITA, and this kind of thing have the possibility be the demise of the voice industry. (because it will force more traffic to OTT communications) I built and operate a Tier 1 in Australia, and I know that as a result of Scam /

Re: [VoiceOps] No-commit international calling

2023-07-13 Thread Dovid Bender via VoiceOps
TLDR; Global routing is getting messier and messier. Get a few carriers in route for intl calls. Anything other than a BUSY should fail to the next carrier in route. Global routing has been a cluster as of lately. Two issues have risen as of late. The first is countries cracking down on spam

Re: [VoiceOps] No-commit international calling

2023-07-13 Thread Mike Johnston via VoiceOps
On 2023-07-13 14:34, Ross Tajvar via VoiceOps wrote: Looks like voip.ms is one option. Does anyone have any other suggestions? I use voip.ms for my personal tinkering.  I don't have much of a /need/ for them, since I operate an entire telephone company of my own (my

[VoiceOps] No-commit international calling

2023-07-13 Thread Ross Tajvar via VoiceOps
Hi all, I have an asterisk PBX for personal/business use. I use Flowroute for both origination and termination. Recently I've started needing to make some international calls (specifically mostly to the UK, but also some other places in Europe and Australia). There've been a few numbers where