Re: [volt-nuts] Temperature sensor

2016-03-19 Thread Mike S
On 3/16/2016 4:47 PM, John Phillips wrote: > You should use oil so that you do not get evaporative cooling. Better still, but more potential to be messy. Another advantage is that there's no need to waterproof the sensor. I was thinking along the lines of sticking the wire through a small hole in

Re: [volt-nuts] Temperature sensor

2016-03-18 Thread Mike S
On 3/16/2016 3:19 PM, Joseph Gray wrote: > I would like to shield > the sensors from direct air currents due to AC and heating system. Because that's not really making it colder or warmer? :-) Sounds like you want a moving average, so you don't see the sudden changes, even when they exist. Add so

Re: [volt-nuts] HP-3458A Zero Reading

2015-07-28 Thread Mike S
On 7/27/2015 10:26 PM, Mike S wrote: > On 7/27/2015 7:54 PM, Bill Gold wrote: >> You will observe that the HP/Agilent/Keysight manual for the 3458A >> does not give any "zero" stability specs, at least that I can find. > > On DC 100 mV range, the standard model

Re: [volt-nuts] HP-3458A Zero Reading

2015-07-27 Thread Mike S
On 7/27/2015 7:54 PM, Bill Gold wrote: > You will observe that the HP/Agilent/Keysight manual for the 3458A > does not give any "zero" stability specs, at least that I can find. On DC 100 mV range, the standard model is spec'd for 14+3 ppm of range @ 2 years from calibration, not considering tempe

Re: [volt-nuts] plastic caps on 3458A reference board

2015-01-28 Thread Mike S
On 1/28/2015 9:00 AM, J. L. Trantham wrote: In the days of 3D printers and CAD/CAM, it might be possible to have a 'run' of these 'made to order', so to speak. I'd think a couple of pieces of pink (non-conductive) closed cell antistatic foam, one hollowed out a bit with a penknife, would work

Re: [volt-nuts] Old HP3458A - SN: 2823A 03939

2014-10-08 Thread Mike S
On 10/8/2014 4:23 AM, acb...@gmx.de wrote: the EPROMs are in sockets, no soldering needed. but again, buying a precision instrument but reprogramming cal data that is years old does not make any sense. unless of course if you are just a collector and do not use its accuracy. It makes perfect s

Re: [volt-nuts] LM399 Long term drift specification

2014-09-10 Thread Mike S
On 9/10/2014 7:00 PM, Tony wrote: I've just noticed that TI and Linear's specs for 'Long Term Stability' (typical) are different. TI state 20ppm/1000Hr while Linear state 8ppm/SQRT(kHr). That's a big difference - is this likely to be a real difference or just specmanship? I note that Linear (in

Re: [volt-nuts] Fluke 5200A extender board.

2014-08-29 Thread Mike S
On 8/29/2014 2:16 PM, Tom Miller wrote: Did you remove the two holes? :) You mean the two pin 1 markers on the silkscreen? ___ volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts

Re: [volt-nuts] 732A and Prologix received

2014-08-26 Thread Mike S
After some more research, I think I've answered some of my own questions - Tellurium copper is used for binding posts, not because it has any special thermal or EMF mojo, but because it machines much better than pure copper. And, I suppose, because it sounds like it's extra special. The Seebe

Re: [volt-nuts] 732A and Prologix received

2014-08-25 Thread Mike S
On 8/25/2014 9:54 PM, Don@True-Cal wrote: Why? Let me count the ways.You can never count on any Seebeck voltage to be immediately offset, there are far too many variables. ... > A set of 5440A-7002 (banana plug) cables comes with this calibrator (5440A-7003 spade lugs for 5720A) For those le

Re: [volt-nuts] 732A and Prologix received

2014-08-25 Thread Mike S
On 8/25/2014 11:02 AM, Don@True-Cal wrote: Silver or Gold plating on the terminal or wire will introduce the undesirable dissimilar metal properties, both at the plating junction and at the plating metal to DUT terminal. Why? Any Seebeck effect is immediately offset in the opposite direction,

Re: [volt-nuts] Question for Fluke 732A owners

2014-02-26 Thread Mike S
On 2/26/2014 6:53 PM, J. L. Trantham wrote: Oh!! THAT's what they mean by 'male' and 'female'. I get it! :^)) You jest, but it's not always clear. Take the common Cannon "D-sub" connectors. A connector with male contacts will have have a female shield, making gender ambiguous. That's

Re: [volt-nuts] HP 3457A

2013-08-12 Thread Mike S
On 8/12/2013 2:23 PM, John Phillips wrote: A calibration indicates that the unit under test is withing manufactures specification. The equipment and procedure used has to be "good enough" (bad words in a cal lab) to have a high probability (nothing is 100%) of insuring the calibration documentati

Re: [volt-nuts] HP 3457A

2013-08-12 Thread Mike S
On 8/12/2013 12:21 PM, Charles Steinmetz wrote: No, you could not perform ANY traceable calibration with the 3458A itself, much less with any instrument you had calibrated with the 3458A, because *you* are not accredited That's simply not true. Some organizations may require a lab to be accred

[volt-nuts] Looking for VREF - SZA263/LTFLU-1/MCA19xxN

2013-04-08 Thread Mike S
These were used in the Fluke 332B (and others). Still used in the 732. They seem to be unobtainium. Lots of hits on questionable Chinese sites. It's easiest if I can find one for a reasonable price. Otherwise, I suppose I'll have to re-do the board with an LM399. -- Mike _

Re: [volt-nuts] Some questions to zeners (thermoelectric effects)

2013-01-28 Thread Mike S
On 1/28/2013 8:48 AM, Tony Holt wrote: > Could the sense wires be welded to > the ADC pins between the solder connection to the PCB and the package to > avoid the thermal EMFs of a solder joint? I don't think welding would make the difference, unless the wire is made of the same material as the

Re: [volt-nuts] Lm399 heater

2012-09-14 Thread Mike S
On 9/14/2012 8:04 PM, Fred Schneider wrote: > Is the heater from a LM399 regulated, so it stayes at 85 degrees or > is it just drawing an vast amount of current like a lightbulb ? So if > it gets hotter around the LM the heater temp stays the same ? ... > I just building a refrence with it and If

Re: [volt-nuts] HP 3458A DC current accuracy

2012-07-11 Thread Mike S
Apropos: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/07/120711101042.htm With regard to the discussion, since in the SI, Amps are the base unit, Volts are derived from Amps, and Ohms from Volts - remarkable that Amps are the least realizable in practice? (I guess it's just the difference between

Re: [volt-nuts] HP 3458A DC current accuracy

2012-07-11 Thread Mike S
On 7/11/2012 5:15 AM, Frank Stellmach wrote: This is the worst realized electrical unit, i.e. the 'mise en pratique' is difficult to an error level of about 1e-7 only. On 7/11/2012 6:50 PM, Bob Smither wrote: I may be off here, but I doubt that thermal (Johnson) noise would limit the precision