RE: Mountainside solar towers

Instead of just building a tower, why not design a giant tube down the center of a high rise structure?  Instead of up, mist water at the top and use the weight of the cooled air to drive a downdraft turbine.  The water can be condensed and reclaimed at the bottom and then percolated with th

RE: Is Kyoto really this flimsy?

Not just Canada... http://www.science.org.au/nova/054/054key.htm -Original Message- From: Stephen A. Lawrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 9:58 PM To: Vortex Subject: Is Kyoto really this flimsy? (Let's ignore for the moment the fact that the USA isn't in Kyot

Re: water into wine

Hmmm.. the link Pliliplaven link that Grimer posted showing the graphs has me intrigued. http://www.philiplaven.com/p20.html  In my mind's eye, I keep seeing a spiral, perhaps a helix pattern in lieu of a seeming random of the imaginary shown in graph 6. Look carefully at graph 5 again, do I s

Re: Mountainside solar towers

Horace Heffner wrote: The vast majority of the hoped for 200 MW power then has to be from the bouyancy due to the difference in ambient temperature (and thus column bouyancy) between the base and the exit of the flue. This sounds like it needs some checking. [ ... ] The use of base solar collecto

Re: Mountainside solar towers

RC Macaulay writes: > The cost of [wind tower] maintenance is high. Not according to EPRI. They say that wind now has the lowest maintenance cost of any conventional power source, per KWH. The Danish Wind Industry Association says: "For newer machines the estimates range around 1.5 to 2 per cen

Re: Mountainside solar towers

I just wrote: "The 20 km^2 (2x10^7 m^2) greenhouse proposed at the base can at 100 percent efficiency provide only 20 MW of solar power." Wow, was I wrong, by a factor of 1000. The solar insolation factor is 1 kW/m^2, not 1 W/m^2. A 100 percent effecient solar collector with 2x10^7 m^2 operating

Re: Mountainside solar towers

Wow! I just happend to notice the diameter of the proposed solar tower is 167 meters! See: . It says: "The fact the tower would be only six times higher than its diameter is the key to its strength and stability, says davey." Not too much worry about insulation with t

Re: Mountainside solar towers

Windfarms   The cost of construction of a windfarmis partially offset by tax incentives. The cost of maintenance is high. Notice how many towers are out of service at any time. The stress of the windshear as the prop passes the pylon is a cause of blade fatigue. Jed mentioned there is no bett

Re: Mountainside solar towers

At 5:25 PM 4/18/5, Robin van Spaandonk wrote: >...one could make the outside of transparent material, >and the mountainside black, so that the whole chimney collects >extra solar energy over its whole height (vertical greenhouse). Yes. The main problem then is insulating the chimney at night. T

Re: Mountainside solar towers

At 11:09 AM 4/18/5, RC Macaulay wrote: >There have wind farms in west Texas in droves. The tax benefits and the >Federal money involved has caused a feeding frenzy across the US for large >array wind generators. The insanity of the projects make me turn my head >as I pass some of them. Here we hav

Re: Mountainside solar towers

RC Macaulay writes: > There have wind farms in west Texas in droves. The tax benefits and the > Federal money involved has > caused a feeding frenzy across the US for large array wind generators. The tax benefits are small (2 cents per KWH I think), they last only a few years, and they nowhere

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The Chinese are rioting over gas and oil

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Re: Mountainside solar towers

Robin writes, >BTW there are some low mountains in central Australia, in themiddle of the desert, that run more or less east-west, and havesteep sides. Perhaps not as high as one might like, but it wouldmake a good start.< The combination of solar and wind energy can be harnessed for the wind

RE: Is Kyoto really this flimsy?

Stephen writes: >Or is the Canada plan predicated on the assumption that >nobody else is going to try the same thing, since if everybody wants to >be a net buyer the price of a credit could be expected to head for the moon? You sort of answer your own question. I can only add that the current si

Re: Is Kyoto really this flimsy?

Stephen A. Lawrence writes: > http://www.ledevoir.com/2005/04/16/79517.html > > Now, if Canada can do this, presumably other industrialized nations can > do it too -- in which case the whole treaty seems like a pointless > exercise. This would not work because the number of "pollution credits"

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Re: Is Kyoto really this flimsy?

(Let's ignore for the moment the fact that the USA isn't in Kyoto and that it's arguably pointless from the get-go as a result -- this question pertains only the countries which _are_ in it.) If it weren't for our efforts to stop this nonsense, we would be part of it. I recently ran across an a

Re: Mountainside solar towers

In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:04:33 -0800: Hi, [snip] >The rise column (or draft tube as you call it) should be cheaper to >implement as a single flat cross section than as multiple tubes. The sides >not against the mountain must be insulated to preserve the temperat