Re: Windmill News

2005-07-06 Thread thomas malloy
http://www.insidebayarea.com/timesstar/localnews/ci_2842322 " A California Energy Commission study estimated wind turbines in the Altamont kill 881 to 1,300 birds of prey a year, including as many as 116 federally protected golden eagles." These are older designs. Do we have a case here fo

Re: JLN Labs Yahoo Group

2005-07-06 Thread thomas malloy
Terry Blanton posted; Good news, bad news, and good news. I was able to join the group. But, I think I have been blocked from posting after telling one of the members that he can't make a MAHG from a light bulb since it kinda lacked an anode. Either that or they don't like anyone pointing

Re: Nicholas Moller on Langmuir

2005-07-06 Thread thomas malloy
Jones Beene wrote: Ed, Perhaps, but I suggest the more likely reaction is p + d = He3. This possibility can be tested by adding a little D2O to the cell. Going from the normal 6000 ppm to 1% should make a big difference in heat generation. Excellent idea Jones. Given the rarity of He3,

Re: Gas stations closing down?

2005-07-06 Thread Steven Krivit
Thanks Terry - that helps make a connection with what I'm seeing. At 05:40 PM 7/6/2005, you wrote: > From: Steven Krivit > I just noticed the fourth gas station at a fairly busy intersection to > close down and get dismantled within the last 12 months. I'm a bit different. However, I posted t

FW: [4DWorldx] exotic force

2005-07-06 Thread Harry Veeder
-- June 20, 2005 http://news.uns.purdue.edu/html4ever/2005/050620.Fischbach.gravity.html Physicists clarify exotic force, but no 'Theory of Everything' yet WEST LAFAYETTE, Ind. – The quest for a single theory that unites all of the universe's fundamental forces has thus far eluded phys

Re: Gas stations closing down?

2005-07-06 Thread Terry Blanton
> From: Steven Krivit > I just noticed the fourth gas station at a fairly busy intersection to > close down and get dismantled within the last 12 months. I'm a bit different. However, I posted this earlier; but, I'll try again. You can do your own search of "bilderberger germany 2005". Here

Re: Gas stations closing down?

2005-07-06 Thread Steven Krivit
clarification...not all at one intersection...at various places around LA At 05:20 PM 7/6/2005, you wrote: I just noticed the fourth gas station at a fairly busy intersection to close down and get dismantled within the last 12 months. One was an ARCO the other 3 CHEVRON. All of these stations

Gas stations closing down?

2005-07-06 Thread Steven Krivit
I just noticed the fourth gas station at a fairly busy intersection to close down and get dismantled within the last 12 months. One was an ARCO the other 3 CHEVRON. All of these stations had been in operation for at least a decade. Certainly the subject of "peak oil" seems to be neglected from

Windmill News

2005-07-06 Thread Terry Blanton
http://www.insidebayarea.com/timesstar/localnews/ci_2842322 " A California Energy Commission study estimated wind turbines in the Altamont kill 881 to 1,300 birds of prey a year, including as many as 116 federally protected golden eagles." These are older designs.

Re: Nicholas Moller on Langmuir

2005-07-06 Thread Christopher Arnold
Ed,   I believe I do have fusion reaction products. In 2001 (or so) I had the good fortune to talk with Tom Clator about fusion from my device. His later experiments and literature also reveal Tritium production from a different type of Plasma. As I recall it was about 2000 volts but I do not rem

Re: Nicholas Moller on Langmuir

2005-07-06 Thread Jones Beene
Under the general category of "I'd rather be lucky than good" we find a list of discoveries which were not exactly precisely anticipated, but yet required a fair share of diligence and/or insight in order to develop into a "real" invention. I think Moller's "Eureka moment" may fit in this categ

JLN Labs Yahoo Group

2005-07-06 Thread Terry Blanton
Good news, bad news, and good news. I was able to join the group. But, I think I have been blocked from posting after telling one of the members that he can't make a MAHG from a light bulb since it kinda lacked an anode. Either that or they don't like anyone pointing out Mr. Beane's observatio

Re: Nicholas Moller on Langmuir

2005-07-06 Thread Terry Blanton
> From: Jed Rothwell > "Wha th' matter with you? Cat got your tungsten?" > > "Yeth, and she won't le' go." LOL! I think it was comedian Steve Wright: "I gave my cat a bath the other day. She really enjoyed it but I hated all that hair on my tongue."

Re: Nicholas Moller on Langmuir

2005-07-06 Thread orionworks
> From: Jed Rothwell > Terry Blanton wrote: > > >Yes, but the symbol on the periodic table is W. To > > me 'tungsten' sounds > >like anatomy. > > Ah . . . As in: > > "Wha th' matter with you? Cat got your tungsten?" > > "Yeth, and she won't le' go." > > > - Jed (who has spent the last 6 ho

Re: Nicholas Moller on Langmuir

2005-07-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: Yes, but the symbol on the periodic table is W. To me 'tungsten' sounds like anatomy. Ah . . . As in: "Wha th' matter with you? Cat got your tungsten?" "Yeth, and she won't le' go." - Jed (who has spent the last 6 hours wading through Japanese papers on isotopes, SIM

Re: Nicholas Moller on Langmuir

2005-07-06 Thread Terry Blanton
> From: Jed Rothwell > Wolf . . . You mean tungsten. :-) Yes, but the symbol on the periodic table is W. To me 'tungsten' sounds like anatomy.

Re: Nicholas Moller on Langmuir

2005-07-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: According to the referenced paper, the presence of water can kill the reaction due to oxidation of the Wolfram. Wolf . . . You mean tungsten. . . . But, obviously one cannot have much confidence in Moller if he confuses c & C. And obviously ve cannot have much confi

Re: Nicholas Moller on Langmuir

2005-07-06 Thread Edmund Storms
Well Chris, looks like you already have some evidence for nuclear reaction products. Your set up is identical to the plasma cells using water, in as far as interaction at the W surface is concerned. You split H2 into H+ at the W surface, while a plasma using H2O also forms H+ at the W surface

Re: Nicholas Moller on Langmuir

2005-07-06 Thread Edmund Storms
In this case, he should add D2 to the H2. Ed Terry Blanton wrote: From: Edmund Storms > This possibility can be tested by adding a little D2O to the cell. According to the referenced paper, the presence of water can kill the reaction due to oxidation of the Wolfram. But, obviously one

Re: Nicholas Moller on Langmuir

2005-07-06 Thread Terry Blanton
> From: Edmund Storms > > This > possibility can be tested by adding a little D2O to the cell. According to the referenced paper, the presence of water can kill the reaction due to oxidation of the Wolfram. But, obviously one cannot have much confidence in Moller if he confuses c & C.

Re: Nicholas Moller on Langmuir

2005-07-06 Thread Christopher Arnold
Ed,   Perhaps the vanishing coulomb barrier would explain why gas I produce in my reactors registers as radioactive in my tritium monitor, and why SEM w/EDS spectrum is so strange as to suggest transmutations and why Nuclear Magnetic Resonance spectrum produced from my materials comes back as unid

Re: Nicholas Moller on Langmuir

2005-07-06 Thread Edmund Storms
Jones Beene wrote: Ed, I would like to suggest that all plasma experiments, including Naudin's obtain their extra energy from cold fusion. Then what would be the reaction? H+H -->D + e ? Perhaps, but I suggest the more likely reaction is p + d = He3. This possibility can be tested by a

Re: Re: Nicholas Moller on Langmuir

2005-07-06 Thread Terry Blanton
> From: Terry Blanton > > From: "Jones Beene" > > > that should be H+H+e -->D > > Then hydrogen will be consumed and the cell efficiency should decrease over > time. We should also see transmutation products in the reactor vessel metals.

Re: Nicholas Moller on Langmuir

2005-07-06 Thread Christopher Arnold
Ed, that was a refreshing post.   ChrisEdmund Storms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would like to suggest that all plasma experiments, including Naudin's obtain their extra energy from cold fusion. In this case, the tungsten cathode is the nuclear active environment into which p+ and d+ are driven b

Re: Nicholas Moller on Langmuir

2005-07-06 Thread Terry Blanton
> From: "Jones Beene" > that should be H+H+e -->D Then hydrogen will be consumed and the cell efficiency should decrease over time.

Re: Nicholas Moller on Langmuir

2005-07-06 Thread Jones Beene
oops... Then what would be the reaction? H+H -->D + e ? that should be H+H+e -->D

Re: Nicholas Moller on Langmuir

2005-07-06 Thread Jones Beene
Terry, Yes. The sequential process of dissociation/recombination in a plasma or gas is not OU. Too bad that error keeps getting repeated. You realize, of course, that this is the entire basis for Naudin's M(oller)AHG experiments. Not exactly. I think they realize that the tungsten metal i

Re: Nicholas Moller on Langmuir

2005-07-06 Thread Jones Beene
Ed, I would like to suggest that all plasma experiments, including Naudin's obtain their extra energy from cold fusion. Then what would be the reaction? H+H -->D + e ? A transmutation reaction with the W would need to overcome far higher Coulomb repulsion forces, no? Jones

Re: Nicholas Moller on Langmuir

2005-07-06 Thread Edmund Storms
I would like to suggest that all plasma experiments, including Naudin's obtain their extra energy from cold fusion. In this case, the tungsten cathode is the nuclear active environment into which p+ and d+ are driven by the high voltages used. The unstable nature of the plasma, either by natu

Re: Nicholas Moller on Langmuir

2005-07-06 Thread Terry Blanton
> From: "Jones Beene" > Yes. The sequential process of dissociation/recombination in a > plasma or gas is not OU. Too bad that error keeps getting > repeated. You realize, of course, that this is the entire basis for Naudin's M(oller)AHG experiments. I am continuing to look into this. Unfort

Re: Nicholas Moller on Langmuir

2005-07-06 Thread Jones Beene
- Original Message - From: "Terry Blanton" Well, it is the "c/C" error in the original article ... if we are on the same page. "From Langmuir's experiments and findings we know that the minimum calorific value for the recombination of atoms was agreed to be in the region 90.000 cal

Re: Nicholas Moller on Langmuir

2005-07-06 Thread Terry Blanton
> From: "Jones Beene" > Well, it is the "c/C" error in the original article ... if we are > on the same page. Quoting: "From Langmuir's experiments and findings we know that the minimum calorific value for the recombination of atoms was agreed to be in the region 90.000 cal/gram molecule.