Re: Oops...

Does this mean we need to look out for some plague ridden animal liberation types? Break out the flea bombs this means war! Jones Beene wrote: To the tune of "Three blind mice... see how they run" "About" two weeks ago, authorities now admit, in a forced-disclosure following inside "leak

Batteries

Steven Johnson posted; Recently I purchased an impressive new brand of rechargeable batteries (AAs) that charge to 100% capacity within 15 minutes. I bet many Vorts have already seen these marvels sold at stores like Battery Plus. AFAIK, the faster the recharge, the shorter the battery life.

Tilley and Genesis

posted Carefully with Carl Tilley. He has a dubious past. See this for background info: http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Tilley/fraud/index.html - Original Message - an electric car that does not need charging http://tinyurl.com/bzcmn I've been following this story for over tw

Re: Due Diligence on CF

Jed Rothwell wrote: Wesley Bruce wrote: I just ask you to be as open to the creationists as you ask others to open to the data on cold fusion. precursors; and biological mechanisms are about as unintelligent as anything could be. If there is a designer he is not intelligent but rather pat

Re: no charge tilly

Alex Caliostro wrote: an electric car that does not need charging http://tinyurl.com/bzcmn is this guy a crook or what has anyone heard any results of the private showing last saturday -alex _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new

Scientific Debate

When I was a child, I had my first "scientific debate". I think vorts will find the line of reasoning very familiar. This was a long, long time ago. Truman was still President. I was attending what today would be called a pre-school. It was quite a nice place with well-behaved children. I rememb

Re: Oops...

I can remember when the biowarfare lab was on [or under] some remote farm in the desert somewhere. Dam those budget cuts now we're having to do it in Jersy. Alex Caliostro wrote: From: "Jones Beene" Not to mention One suspects that the "strain" of plague which they have on hand at thes

Re: Sponsorship request

Thanks Richard: Goal: $895 Received: 3 pledges totalling $650 Remaining: $245 Who wants in? :) My paper is due Friday. Pledges or donations received by Thursday night will be recognized in the paper and presentation, unless anonymity requested. Donations: http://newenergytimes.com/paypaldonate.h

Re: Plagarism

Jed, Copyright violation? Yes. But that's not we care about so much. It was a collaborative piece. As editor, I worked extensively with John on it. Also my copy editor, Cindy Goldstein worked on it. So when we don't get any credit or recognition for it appearing elsewhere...that's the part that

ANS conference

www.ANS.org   The LENR session will be Thursday, 17 November 2005   Low-Energy Nuclear Reactions, sponsored by IRD. Session Organizer: Bob Smith (Oakton Int). All invited. [Track 7] Nuclear Reaction Pathways Resulting from Phonon Interactions, Peter Laurence Hagelstein (MIT) Evidence

European carmakers upset by hybrids

There is an interesting side note in the N. Y. Times about hybrids. Many European carmakers are feeling stampeded into making hybrids, which they feel are a passing fad. They are developing them grudgingly, in case customer demand continues to increase. They say that their diesel cars get just a

Re: Plagarism By Cold Fusion Times

Well, this certainly is bad form, but since the Cold Fusion Times version does show that John Coviello is the author, I do not think it is plagarism. It is a copyright violation. - Jed

Re: genesis shipping

From: "Nick Palmer" Alex, if this was real the world would be beating a path to their door. but what are the pictures about -alex _ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm0

Re: Sponsorship request

Believe it is possible for the members of the Vorts group to share the costs of this conference by each ponying up 25 to 50 bucks via check in lieu of a pledge and sending the money  to the New Energy Institute now.   Surely Steven has demonstrated his work and concern for new energy. It is

Re: no charge tilly

99% sure he's a crook - or seriously deluded

Re: LENR-CANR is UNOFFICIAL -- and so it says, Matey, arrrrgggg!

<> Somewhere, Chris Tinsley is, sardonically, smiling...

Re: genesis shipping

<> Alex, if this was real the world would be beating a path to their door. By the time we heard about it, it would be big, the following day it would be huge, a week later it would be gigantic. One month afterwards, the world would have changed. Have you not read the hard business view of how

Re: toyota going total hybrid

Toyota has also announced that they are working to cut the hybrid premium (around $3,000 for a Prius) in half. I think with gasoline prices rising in coming years, every car model will have hybrid option by 2015. Don't listen to the rhetoric about oil prices, just watch the price, oil is a ver

Re: sterling jobs in phoenix

STIRLING ENERGY SYSTEMS has a bright future in my opinion. No pun intended. Everyone should see the writing on the wall. Oil and natural gas are increasing in price, alternative energy is decreasing in price. We are very close to where they cross price points, in some instances they already h

Re: no charge tilly

Carefully with Carl Tilley. He has a dubious past. See this for background info: http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Tilley/fraud/index.html - Original Message - From: "Alex Caliostro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 2:31 PM Subject: no charge tilly an ele

Plagarism By Cold Fusion Times

I, like Jed, have had enough of Dr. Mitchell's Swartz's tone and have put him on ignore because there is already enough negativity in this world, but I had to respond to his slick dismal to my plagiarism charge.    Contrary to his statements, he did not lift the story he printed in Cold Fus

RE: Battery capacity for electric autos, practical concerns

It's too bad that the Vanadium Redox battery doesn't have a higher charge density. You could just replace the electrolyte and move along. The metal- air batteries visualized getting a new metal slurry and dumping the hydroxide. -Original Message- From: OrionWorks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECT

Battery capacity for electric autos, practical concerns

The following scenario focuses on all-electric cars, not hybrids. I'm making the assumption that eventually hybrid-cars will be completely replaced with 100% electrical systems. I seem to recall Mike Carrell once cautioning the Vort readership of the fact that there is a practical limit as to h

Re: LENR-CANR is UNOFFICIAL

Title: Re: LENR-CANR is UNOFFICIAL Ok Jed, you have officially convinced me. Harry Jed Rothwell wrote: Harry Veeder wrote: > State what, exactly? What wording do you propose? Where would you put it? You could provide links to official sites on the home page, making it clear that they are o

Re: toyota going total hybrid

Excellent news. Let us hope they quickly extend that to plug-in hybrids. But they do not give a timetable. And we should remember that although over 200,000 hybrid cars will be sold in the U.S. this year, total automobile sales are ~17 million J. D. Power-LMC predicts that hybrid sales will re

Re: LENR-CANR is UNOFFICIAL

At 03:38 PM 9/20/2005, Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: I'm curious, Dr. Swartz. If you succeed in your efforts to OFFICIALLY catch Jed in a net of his own falsehoods what do you plan on doing next? Going back to cold fusion science and research. That is HOW this began. Jed's entrapment is

Re: LENR-CANR is UNOFFICIAL, and Swartz is back in the kill-file

At 03:31 PM 9/20/2005, Jed Rothwell wrote: Mitchell Swartz wrote: In addition, note that Rothwell has also finally admitted that HE removed the titles, but he remains disingenuous about WHEN he removed the titles. Rothwell: Yo: Mitch. Where does "admit" come from? It is my web site. Who el

cravin' energy

dennis cravens has a couple of demonstration projects which should get even cf skeptics attention http://www.netmdc.com/~physics/ -alex _ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/o

Re: LENR-CANR is UNOFFICIAL

Veeder Sez: > Rothwell and Swartz might consider combining forces to launch > a new web site with an official status. > > Harry I suspect a combination of these two forces is likely to initiate nuclear FISSION, not FUSION. Probably a lot messier than its worth. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson

Re: LENR-CANR is UNOFFICIAL

Harry Veeder wrote: > State what, exactly? What wording do you propose? Where would you put it? You could provide links to official sites on the home page, making it clear that they are official. I do have links. See: http://lenr-canr.org/News.htm#Links it looks pretty obvious to me what is offi

Re: LENR-CANR is UNOFFICIAL

From: OrionWorks I'm in the middle of planning my OFFICIAL entertainment schedule for the next week. Does anybody know if Donald Trump is airing any more "Youre fired!" reality shows? no, but con mot stewart is http://www.nbc.com/The_Apprentice:_Martha_Stewart/ -alex _

Re: It ain't fittin, not fittin, it just ain't fittin

Jones, Thanks for the link. The last diesel pump station project, we provided the control system and switchgear was Texas City, Texas back in 1982, two storm water pump stations, each station using six each Cat V-8 diesel powered archimedes screw type lift pumps. The stations are designed t

Re: LENR-CANR is UNOFFICIAL

Swartz sez: ... > Ergo, STRIKE 3: > > As stated before, and now proven thrice, it is OFFICIAL: > Jed Rothwell has been (again) caught in his own net of > falsehoods. > > Q.E.D. Ah, the OFFICIAL three strikes yer out ploy! I'm curious, Dr. Swartz. If you succeed in your efforts to OFFICI

Re: LENR-CANR is UNOFFICIAL

Rothwell and Swartz might consider combining forces to launch a new web site with an official status. Harry

Re: LENR-CANR is UNOFFICIAL, and Swartz is back in the kill-file

Mitchell Swartz wrote: In addition, note that Rothwell has also finally admitted that HE removed the titles, but he remains disingenuous about WHEN he removed the titles. Yo: Mitch. Where does "admit" come from? It is my web site. Who else could have removed the titles? And who put them back

toyota going total hybrid

September 14, 2005 Toyota Says It Plans Eventually to Offer an All-Hybrid Fleet By BLOOMBERG NEWS FRANKFURT, Sept. 13 (Bloomberg News) - The Toyota Motor Corporation said this week that all its vehicles would eventually be run by hybrid gasoline-electric motors, as record fuel prices curb demand

Re: LENR-CANR is UNOFFICIAL -- and so it says, Matey, arrrrgggg!

Harry Veeder wrote: You ask how much more evident can you make it? State it explicitly on the home page. Ah ha. I already did that. It says: "ICCF-10 Proceedings. Tenth International Conference on Cold Fusion (ICCF-10) was held in Cambridge, Massachusetts 24 - 29 August 2003. This section i

Re: LENR-CANR is UNOFFICIAL

Jed Rothwell wrote: > Harry Veeder wrote: > >>> How much more evident can we make it? >> >> I was referring to the home page and not to the disclaimers on the papers. > > Ah. Well. Most people read the papers and skip the site. Anyway, I do not > see anything on the site that says it is officia

Re: LENR-CANR is UNOFFICIAL

At 02:27 PM 9/20/2005, Rothwell wrote: Rothwell: As I said, I could not read the CD-ROM, and I do not deal with physical paper, unless the electronic copies have been lost. First, Rothwell purports that he did not know if a paper was written but THEN he admits he received it but "could not re

Re: It ain't fittin, not fittin, it just ain't fittin

From: "Jones Beene" Pantone is having a few legal probelms but is apparently out of the pokey now. Anyway most of this material is in the public domain and you would be wise to waty away from him. http://pesn.com/2005/09/19/9600169_Pantone_Legal_Battles/ jean-louis naudin tested it http://

Re: LENR-CANR is UNOFFICIAL

Harry Veeder wrote: > How much more evident can we make it? I was referring to the home page and not to the disclaimers on the papers. Ah. Well. Most people read the papers and skip the site. Anyway, I do not see anything on the site that says it is official. You ask how much more eviden

Re: sterling jobs in phoenix

The machine looks a delicate and unwieldy, but the claims are impressive. See: http://www.stirlingenergy.com/news%5CSES%20Press%20-%20SDGE%20V%203.pdf "STIRLING ENERGY SYSTEMS SIGNS SECOND LARGE SOLAR DEAL IN CALIFORNIA Solar Installation To Produce 300-900 Megawatts PHOENIX, Sept. 7, 2005 – Sti

Re: LENR-CANR is UNOFFICIAL

Mitchell Swartz wrote: Rothwell: As I said, I could not read the CD-ROM, and I do not deal with physical paper, unless the electronic copies have been lost. First, Rothwell purports that he did not know if a paper was written . . . Actually, as I said before, I did not think that was a pap

no charge tilly

an electric car that does not need charging http://tinyurl.com/bzcmn is this guy a crook or what has anyone heard any results of the private showing last saturday -alex _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now

Re: It ain't fittin, not fittin, it just ain't fittin

oops hit the wrong key     here is the SPAD picture site: http://easy.spad.free.fr/0010.htm     - Original Message - From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 11:20 AM Subject: Re: It ain't fittin, not fittin, it just ain't fitt

Re: It ain't fittin, not fittin, it just ain't fittin

  Here are the better pictures.   It is a 200 kw turbo diesel retrofit for Egypt -  caterpillar 6 cylindres turbo D343-62B   The only problem is there are no test figures. All very new and open source. The welded box is the reformer.   Where is John Steck?  - he has probably looked into this

genesis shipping

rumor is that these guys are shipping product cool pictures http://www.genesis-scientific.org/energy_apps.htm what the hell are these things is this electrolysis or something more exotic is anyone registered -alex _ Express you

Re: LENR-CANR is UNOFFICIAL

Jed Rothwell wrote: > Harry Veeder wrote: > >>> It is just the opposite. Peter Hagelstein asked us to make it clear that >>> LENR-CANR is the unofficial site. >> >> This is not evident on lenr-canr home page. > > It is too! As I said, every ICCF-10 paper says: > > "This paper was presented at

Re: It ain't fittin, not fittin, it just ain't fittin

Ok then, Richard, how about "retrofittin' "   ??   As in retrofittin' diesels. Are you running any large diesels 24/7 on any of your water projects?   How would you like to use 30-60% less fuel - as these French folks claim they are doing ? http://perso.wanadoo.fr/quanthommesuite/imagesreal05

Re: LENR-CANR is UNOFFICIAL

At 01:00 PM 9/20/2005, Rothwell wrote: Mitchell Swartz wrote: Second, Rothwell was physically handed the papers at Dr. Mallove's funeral. Rothwell: As I said, I could not read the CD-ROM, and I do not deal with physical paper, unless the electronic copies have been lost. First, Rothwell

RE: sterling jobs in phoenix

From: "Alex Caliostro" in the gallery section there's a bush inspecting the sandia installation bush is in the breaking news photo section http://www.stirlingenergy.com/breaking_news_photos.htm why is this (oil) man smiling has he found a way to meter sunlight -alex _

sterling jobs in phoenix

these are the guys who signed the multimegawatt deal with san diego gas 'n electric http://www.stirlingenergy.com/default.asp in the gallery section there's a bush inspecting the sandia installation they have lots of job openings sterling jobs on stirling engines -alex _

Re: LENR-CANR is UNOFFICIAL

Harry Veeder wrote: > It is just the opposite. Peter Hagelstein asked us to make it clear that > LENR-CANR is the unofficial site. This is not evident on lenr-canr home page. It is too! As I said, every ICCF-10 paper says: "This paper was presented at the 10th International Conference on Col

Re: LENR-CANR is UNOFFICIAL

Jed Rothwell wrote: > It is just the opposite. Peter Hagelstein asked us to make it clear that > LENR-CANR is the unofficial site. This is not evident on lenr-canr home page. Harry

Re: LENR-CANR is UNOFFICIAL

>From Mitchell Swartz ... > > In any case, the attempt at such censorship at the > LENR site is now moot,since the ICCF-10 Proceedings will > be shortly out anyway by the serious diligence of Prof. > Hagelstein,whom cold fusioneers should thank for his efforts. When the ICC-10 Proceeding

Yes, CF is dangerous, and so are steam engines and computers

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The Chinese are a different story. If they develop cold fusion several > years before we do, they will be in a position to develop the weapons are > described in my book, in chapter 11. Are you saying that CF could be dangerous? Absolutely! As I said, if the Chinese

Re: LENR-CANR is UNOFFICIAL

Mitchell Swartz wrote: First, the titles of the ICCF-10 papers were removed from the initial list of ICCF-10 to accommodate the 'political' leanings of the LENR website editors right after the conference. If that were true, why would I put the papers back? My politics have not changed. Frank

Re: Due Diligence on CF

Jed Rothwell wrote: Wesley Bruce wrote: I better outline the experiments. The maths and chemistry is error free but the assumptions are wrong. The assumption of dating is that the gases argon, lead vapor, radon etc escape from the volcanic lava before it hardens. . . . In one case they to

Re: LENR-CANR is UNOFFICIAL

At 11:40 AM 9/20/2005, Jed Rothwell wrote: It is just the opposite. Peter Hagelstein asked us to make it clear that LENR-CANR is the unofficial site. He asked us to add the following text to the heading of every ICCF10 paper: "This paper was presented at the 10th International Conference on Cold

OT: It ain't fittin, not fittin, it just ain't fittin

Old line by a sceen actress of bygone years. Sure sound like some of the posts in Vorts. Patents, due diligence, infighting, official and unofficial, levee failure, conspiracies and Mo' de king's English.   To Jones' Hollywood agent.. quick!! copyright everything .. Oliver Stone will be calli

Re: LENR-CANR is UNOFFICIAL

Jed Sez: ... > I used Pascal programs to make comparisons > and look for problems that would have been tedious to > fix manually. > > - Jed "Pascal programs?" How positively 1970'ish of you! ;-) I presume you know PERL. The language is particularly good at performing text searches

LENR-CANR is UNOFFICIAL

Mitchell Swartz wrote: 1. The issue is not about censorship of papers, but it is about the systematic censorship of ICCF-10 titles by Storms and Rothwell, while purporting they are the "official" ICCF-10 site. It is just the opposite. Peter Hagelstein asked us to make it clear that LENR-

Re: Interesting patent law case...off topic...long email...

Jim Dickenson writes: From Wired.com news which may be of interest. http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,68894,00.html Scary. And this is an area of great potential abuse, from Governement, from the standpoint of LENR ! Perhaps this ties in with some of the recent posting about "of

FW: Interesting patent law case...off topic...long email...

-Original Message- From: Cornwall Remi Sent: 20 September 2005 15:09 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Interesting patent law case...off topic...long email... Easy way around this: Publish the day after you file on the internet (could even do it the same day but that is a technicalit

RE: Due Diligence on CF

But you would admit rather easier than a f.ss.on device. Oh no! I'm not going down that route of discussing f.ss.on devices in detail on a public webserver. Oh no! I don't want to raided, tortured, sent to Guantanemo and then denied legal process. Let me state categorically: I'm a lapsed CofE, I'

Re: why the levee failed

- Original Message - From: "Michael Foster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Agreed. Turner is not just nuts - but a racist bigot. Definitely Klan material. Yes, and so much worse than those non-racist bigots we used to have. If you are implying the two words are synonomous, that is incorrect

Interesting patent law case...off topic...long email...

>From Wired.com news which may be of interest. Rgds, Jim D. Story location: 02:00 AM Sep. 20, 2005 PT When New England inventor Philip French had his epiphany 15 years ago, he didn't dream it would lead to an invention that would be pre

Re: Due Diligence on CF

Of course CF is dangerous. Any source of energy is dangerous in the wrong hands. In this case, the danger is also economic. Any country that has such a cheap and easily used source of concentrated energy can bankrupt any country that relies on conventional sources. Even though the US starts t

RE: Due Diligence on CF

> The Chinese are a different story. If they develop cold fusion several > years before we do, they will be in a position to develop the weapons are > described in my book, in chapter 11. > - Jed Are you saying that CF could be dangerous? Do you all risk doing an E. Teller by putting naked am

Re: infighting

At 12:52 AM 9/20/2005, Edmund Storms wrote: Storms: Well, I'm totally surprised by Swartz's reply because at no time in the past has this complaint been raised, neither privately nor on Vortex. So, for the record, I would like to set the record straight. Incorrect. It has been mentioned be

Re: infighting

At 06:02 AM 9/20/2005, [Johnny C. Johnny] Coviello wrote: It is simply amazing that Dr. Mitchell Swartz should even mention the word "plagiarism". In his most recent issue of Cold Fusion Times he put a story about the Cold Fusion Colloquium at MIT in May 2005 on the front cover, written by m

OT humour: Rasta

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18725175.200 ... Website http://luna.bton.ac.uk/~roc1 ...

OT humour. RE: infighting

I say we book a ring and let them fight it out :) Role up, role up! In the blue corner... Alright, not funny.

RP and the BBC

Going on from the "RE: Way-OT: Mo' de king's English" I don't agree with Jed Rothwell either. The function of a language is to be understood by the greatest number of people. Apparently the Queen has picked up some Estuary English (as though she is the guardian of it tck!) so languages are evolutio

Re: infighting

It is simply amazing that Dr. Mitchell Swartz should even mention the word "plagiarism". In his most recent issue of Cold Fusion Times he put a story about the Cold Fusion Colloquium at MIT in May 2005 on the front cover, written by me (John Coviello), co-authored by Steve Krivit (New Energy T

RE: Way-OT: Mo' de king's English - Change the thread name????

Also if this discussion continues can we change the name of the thread? It's quite offensive otherwise the "lady doth protest too much". Richard, I'm not quite sure about you but that is not the issue. It is the same as working with pathological or true believer types. Just what is it that makes t

RE: Way-OT: Mo' de king's English

Richard, Short and to the point: Just the same educational experiences can be found with working class white youths whose parents moved out from the East End of London after the Second World War (move the dears out of slum housing and we'll be raising them up). Going back to my home town and seei