http://www.physorg.com/news7309.html
Regards,
Robin van Spaandonk
In a town full of candlestick makers,
everyone lives in the light,
In a town full of thieves,
there is only one candle,
and everyone lives in the night.
More idealism? or an ill-wind
for Big-oil...
There are many NREL inventions related to
ethanol from biomass, such as a genetically modified bacteria 'Zymomonas
mobilis,' which has had the capability to ferment glucose sugars (from grain)
all along. By making it possible for several types o
Nit time.
Jed Rothwell wrote:
I wrote:
"This is ad hominem and irrelevant. His opinions about immigration
have no bearing on his calculations regarding biomass.
. . .
You really should refrain from posting this sort of ad hominem
statement on Vortex. This is as if someone claimed my estim
Richard,
You are asking for common sense approach to energy supply. That
is not how it works.It requires a comprehensive study by a
special task force committee appointed by congress.
I know, I know. Just some misplaced idealism boiling over every
time I pick up a newspaper and read about an
RC Macaulay wrote:
Jones,
You are asking for common sense approach to energy supply. That is not
how it works.It requires a comprehensive study by a special task force
committee appointed by congress.
Speaking of working.. The old days saw cane cutters and cotton pickers
working the fields.
Jones Beene wrote:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16679599%255E30417,00.html
"Trials have shown that the plant flourishes on most arable land,
requires no fertilizer, suffers no pests or diseases, and produces
huge volumes of material that can be harvested u
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16679599%255E30417,00.html
"Trials have shown that the plant flourishes on most arable land,
requires no fertilizer, suffers no pests or diseases, and produces
huge volumes of material that can be harvested using existing
technology
Jones,
You are asking for common sense approach to energy supply. That is not how
it works.It requires a comprehensive study by a special task force committee
appointed by congress.
Speaking of working.. The old days saw cane cutters and cotton pickers
working the fields. They were healthy and
Louisiana has good weather, not enough jobs, lots of poor minority
workers needing jobs, and lots of wetland - perfect for
fast-growing grasses.
We should preserve some of it, for the sake of posterity and
ecology - certainly - but consider that there are over 10,000
square miles of under-uti
Jed Rothwell wites,
The efficiency of the system is irrelevant. If every single
leaf, grass, branch and food crop that grows in North America
were converted into ethanol with 100% efficiency it would not be
anywhere near enough.
Whoa !!! This is so outrageously false it defies the imaginatio
Also, by the way, the best proof that present-day ethanol production
techniques are not economical is apparent to anyone who visits an ethanol
production factory. The cars, trucks, tractors, and other equipment are all
run on conventional gasoline, not ethanol. The people who run these
factorie
Jones Beene wrote:
NO! Ad hominem is only irrelevant if it does not tie back to the original
thesis under discussion, and in this case there is a linkage.
I see no such linkage.
Of give me the exact estimate from the 40 year old book, which you think
proves that ethanol cannot substitue for
I wrote:
Each of his studies has been thoroughly discredited by government and
university researchers.
This is false propaganda. . . .
Pimentel is NOT an Ethanol Expert . . .
Also please note that the chapter on ethanol cites the ERAB, the USDA,
Dovring, Walles et al., Kane et al., Spar
Jed,
Yes. I disagree with them, and even if they are correct they
demonstrate only that ethanol production by present-day
techniques is wastes 60% of the input energy instead of 170%.
Either way it is absurdly uneconomical.
"Ethanol by present techniques" is a bogeyman. It is not valid to
e
I wrote:
"This is ad hominem and irrelevant. His opinions about immigration have no
bearing on his calculations regarding biomass.
. . .
You really should refrain from posting this sort of ad hominem statement on
Vortex. This is as if someone claimed my estimates of the number of wind
turbi
Jones Beene wrote:
Jed, with all due respect - why do you persist in quoting this flawed
study by Pementel as it were not completely debunked already?
The study I quote was not done by Pimentel. It is in a book edited by
Pimentel & Pimentel. The reference is Reifsnyder and Lull, 1965, "Radien
Edmund Storms writes,> In addition to
what Jed points out, I would like to remind the nonfarmer > readers that
a large fraction of biomass is returned to the soil, > without which
productivity would drop. This appears to a totally bogus argment. I hope
there is one corn farmer on this list w
Jed Rothwell writes: >>The
tonnage of available future biomass is not clear - but it could be as
>>much as an order of magnitude greater than once thought at a fully
>>sustainable level. > Again let me point out that
Pimentel and others show that the total annual > biomass production in
Nor
The opportunities to be gathered from biomass could be much more positive than
casual dismissals might suggest.
First, the market needs to be the final arbiter of any projected practicality.
If Brazil or US farmers can produce fuel at a cheaper price than equivalent
oil,
- apart from tax abat
In addition to what Jed points out, I would like to remind the nonfarmer
readers that a large fraction of biomass is returned to the soil,
without which productivity would drop. Once the value of this biomass
increases, to be converted to fuel, farmers would use less in the soil,
with predictab
Jones Beene wrote:
The tonnage of available future biomass is not clear - but it could be as
much as an order of magnitude greater than once thought at a fully
sustainable level.
Again let me point out that Pimentel and others show that the total annual
biomass production in North America am
Who to believe ? ... and/or how much fermentable
"biomass/biowaste" is really available in the USA for oil
substitutes, without raising food costs ?
It seems the good-old petroleum industry is secretly funding
attempts to cloud and distort this important issue, using older
and misleading info
Posted earlier:
>
> If by chance Positronium (a bound state of an Electron-Positron pair)
> is absorbed by a deuteron it can change the internal binding energy of the
> neutron and neutron-proton in such a manner that the mass of the deuteron is unaltered.
>
I'll stick my neck out further
This is a good essay.
Jones Beene wrote:
. . . how much effective
oversight and dynamic innovation is really given to, or expected from,
the "utilities" who are responsible for power generation? All
of commerce depends on cheap power, yet the power companies are often so
"tight" and over-regulate
Vortexians;
I'm quite fascinated with the implications of UFO's and the National
Security State. The other speaker will talk about Wilhelm Reich's
Orgone accumulators, which have some interesting applications in
energy, and medicine.
> Subject: Rich Dolan & Peter Robbins: Two Great Reason
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