Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-22 Thread Paul
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Paul's message of Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:05:43 -0800 (PST): Hi Paul, [snip] If you place a load on the both air coils you can collect such energy. That's why pure inductors dissipate zero energy; i.e., energy goes in the inductor in the form of

[Vo]: Re: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-22 Thread Jones Beene
Paul wrote: Present science has *no idea* how, why, or what sustain the magnetic dipole moment of the electron. FWIW - Hal Puthoff seems to have a pretty good mathematical understanding of this, but one suspects that is not easy for him or anyone else to put that into words - other than

Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-22 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Paul wrote: wPhilip Winestone wrote: I have an intuitive feeling - totally unsubstantiated - that the law of energy conservation is to energy, what Newton's laws were to mechanics (or physics in general). John Berry wrote: However this whole discussion is foolishness, you can't get

[Vo]: More on the Bettery

2007-01-22 Thread Jones Beene
http://www.technologyreview.com/Biztech/18086/ The first two comments, at the end of the article, are interesting regarding the technology, but are not dispositive of whether or not this company is for real with the Bettery. Also General Motors recently announced ties and commitments to

Re: [Vo]: Re: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-22 Thread Paul
Jones Beene wrote: Paul wrote: Present science has *no idea* how, why, or what sustain the magnetic dipole moment of the electron. FWIW - Hal Puthoff seems to have a pretty good mathematical understanding of this, but one suspects that is not easy for him or anyone else to put

[Vo]: Re: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-22 Thread Jones Beene
Paul wrote: Perhaps his math and theories are online? Where does he believe the energy comes from? I've theorized it comes from the sea of energy we call time-space. Some referred to it as ZPE, quantum foam, or Aether. Yup. You are plowing the same field as Puthoff did twenty years ago.

Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-22 Thread Paul
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: [snip] It's certainly complicated; too complicated to solve easily and too complicated to model mentally with a simple picture. Very true! That's why computers are so wonderful. IMHO the future of science is held within the computer, as they are great with

Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-22 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Paul wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: [snip] It's certainly complicated; too complicated to solve easily and too complicated to model mentally with a simple picture. Very true! That's why computers are so wonderful. IMHO the future of science is held within the computer, as they are

Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-22 Thread Harvey Norris
--- Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In reply to Paul's message of Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:05:43 -0800 (PST): Hi Paul, [snip] If you place a load on the both air coils you can collect such energy. That's why pure inductors dissipate zero energy; i.e., energy goes in the

Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-22 Thread Paul
Hello Stephen, IMHO this is an interesting topic. Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Paul wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: [snip] It's certainly complicated; too complicated to solve easily and too complicated to model mentally with a simple picture. Very true! That's why

Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-22 Thread Paul
Harvey Norris wrote: Transcending Reactive vs Real Power Concepts. Sun May 29, 2005 As most of us know the REASON that we cannot simply multiply the voltage times the amperage, (VI) [snip] That's a nice detailed explanation of inductors. Although I snipped it due to text length. At any

Re: [Vo]: More on the Bettery

2007-01-22 Thread Terry Blanton
On 1/22/07, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wrong. To put it bluntly, GM will be the last auto company on the planet to find the cutting edge of anything new and promising - at least if they cannot control the company at the Board level. They are a dying giant on a downward spiral to

Re: [Vo]: Re: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-22 Thread Terry Blanton
On 1/22/07, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW - Hal Puthoff seems to have a pretty good mathematical understanding of this, but one suspects that is not easy for him or anyone else to put that into words - other than three-letter acronyms. Sign in Marshall SFC, Huntsville (true

Re: [Vo]: Re: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-22 Thread Terry Blanton
On 1/22/07, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where does he believe the energy comes from? Simple answer: the other side of zero. Terry

[Vo]: The Circular Magnetic Gradient

2007-01-22 Thread Terry Blanton
Let's suppose you have a circular magnetic gradient of 1 gauss per degree which delivers 1 Nm of torque to a rotor. Further suppose that, at the discontinuity of the gradient, you kick the rotor of a motor past the sticky spot with a mechanical force. Now you increase the gradient by a factor

Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-22 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Paul wrote: Hello Stephen, IMHO this is an interesting topic. I won't argue with that! If you're ever in a room full of physicists and you want to start an argument, ask if magnetic fields ever do work. Then, after you've gotten a few of them to say, loudly, No, never!, ask what does

Re: [Vo]: The Circular Magnetic Gradient

2007-01-22 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Terry Blanton wrote: Let's suppose you have a circular magnetic gradient of 1 gauss per degree which delivers 1 Nm of torque to a rotor. Further suppose that, at the discontinuity of the gradient, you kick the rotor of a motor past the sticky spot with a mechanical force. Could you use a

[Vo]: Geothermal desalination

2007-01-22 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
Hi, Where hot rocks are available as a source of geothermal power, and these are situated near the coast, salt water could be used as the water source. This would produce steam to drive turbines, which could then also be condensed into fresh water. In short rather than be an additional burden on

Re: [Vo]: The Circular Magnetic Gradient

2007-01-22 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:18:09 -0500: Hi Terry, [snip] Let's suppose you have a circular magnetic gradient of 1 gauss per degree which delivers 1 Nm of torque to a rotor. Further suppose that, at the discontinuity of the gradient, you kick the rotor of a motor

Re: [Vo]: Geothermal desalination

2007-01-22 Thread abundance
My mind is stimulated by the idea. There are a lot of minerals in the underground rocks. Sea salt and underground salts could be continuously or periodically carried to the the surface dissolved and suspended in superheated water which would be evaporated on the surface leaving the salts. A