Re: [Vo]:Re: Only potential differences matter

2007-08-13 Thread John Winterflood
Horace wrote: Suppose the DC power supply, a battery, carries a coulomb of excess positive charge, or a coulomb of excess negative charge? Charge can always be detected by the field that is around it - provided you can get "around" it to measure! Gauss's law (I think it is) says that if y

Re: [Vo]:Re: Only potential differences matter

2007-08-13 Thread Horace Heffner
I seldom write anything right the first time through, despite proof reading. Sigh. I wrote: "But, as you point out, this is not true if you get well away from that center line (and you are well out in space where there is no field from the universe.) Then the absolute net charge on the p

Re: [Vo]:Potential

2007-08-13 Thread Horace Heffner
On Aug 13, 2007, at 3:51 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: Interesting exchanges. If a pair of wires are 3 x 10^10 cm long; and, a potential is applied to the ends of the wires with a load resistor on the other end, I have two simple questions: 1) How much time passes before the first electron drifts

Re: [Vo]:The End is Near

2007-08-13 Thread thomas malloy
Terry Blanton wrote: For the first time, I honestly think that the end *IS* near. Did we finally win? http://money.cnn.com/2007/08/13/autos/electric_car/index.htm?cnn=yes There are actually a plethora of BEVs about to enter the market. Time to start an electrical install company for 220 VAC

[Vo]:Re: Potential

2007-08-13 Thread Michel Jullian
Not simple of course :-) Without going into the details it may be something like: 1) 1 second (3 x 10^10 cm at light speed) + load entrance to load center drifting time at electron speed in load (slow, I would think it can be determined based on the current, on the load's cross section area, an

[Vo]:The End is Near

2007-08-13 Thread Terry Blanton
For the first time, I honestly think that the end *IS* near. Did we finally win? http://money.cnn.com/2007/08/13/autos/electric_car/index.htm?cnn=yes There are actually a plethora of BEVs about to enter the market. Time to start an electrical install company for 220 VAC chargers! Terry

Re: [Vo]:Potential

2007-08-13 Thread Terry Blanton
1) Should read ". . . first electron outside the load drifts . . ." On 8/13/07, Terry Blanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Interesting exchanges. > > If a pair of wires are 3 x 10^10 cm long; and, a potential is applied > to the ends of the wires with a load resistor on the other end, I have > tw

[Vo]:Potential

2007-08-13 Thread Terry Blanton
Interesting exchanges. If a pair of wires are 3 x 10^10 cm long; and, a potential is applied to the ends of the wires with a load resistor on the other end, I have two simple questions: 1) How much time passes before the first electron drifts through the load center point assuming the load is on

Re: [Vo]:Re: Only potential differences matter

2007-08-13 Thread Horace Heffner
On Aug 13, 2007, at 3:32 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: Horace, You seem to feel you must rely exclusively on measures of voltage and amperage to determine the absolute charge. These are the common instruments at hand, and I think they are good enough, though they aren't even necessary to accom

Re: [Vo]:Born-Again Batteries

2007-08-13 Thread Horace Heffner
On Aug 13, 2007, at 10:40 AM, Jones Beene wrote: HH: Keep working at it Jones and you will eventually arrive at my deflated hydrogen scenario. Horace, Let men say that, yes, this similar concept of faux-beta-decay is totally derivative of recent postings to Vortex, ... [snip] I am not see

Re: [Vo]:Re: Only potential differences matter

2007-08-13 Thread Harry Veeder
On 13/8/2007 11:08 AM, Horace Heffner wrote: > > On Aug 13, 2007, at 7:30 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: > >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Horace Heffner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 4:40 PM >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Only potential differences matter >>

[Vo]:Re: Only potential differences matter

2007-08-13 Thread Michel Jullian
Whether the DC power supply has excess charge itself or not, if it can apply the desired voltage difference between the electrodes (which you can check with a voltmeter), then the expected surface charges (one net positive, the other net negative) will be there at the facing surfaces, in accorda

Re: [Vo]:Born-Again Batteries

2007-08-13 Thread Jones Beene
Anybody remember the Apple "Pippin" ? ...a so-called portable computer from 1989. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_Portable http://www.macsimumnews.com/index.php/archive/apple_pippin_apple_portable_make_worst_tech_products_list It is somewhat of an embarrassment to Apple today, most likel

Re: [Vo]:Born-Again Batteries

2007-08-13 Thread Jones Beene
HH: Keep working at it Jones and you will eventually arrive at my deflated hydrogen scenario. Horace, Let men say that, yes, this similar concept of faux-beta-decay is totally derivative of recent postings to Vortex, many by you, some by Robin and some by Michel and others going back to the Mi

Re: [Vo]:Born-Again Batteries

2007-08-13 Thread Horace Heffner
On Aug 13, 2007, at 8:12 AM, Jones Beene wrote: It depends on a transitory state of a proton bound with a resonant electron - which electron is far more energetic than normal, and which bound-state can be as short as nanoseconds. Mills hydrino is long-lived. Keep working at it Jones a

Re: [Vo]:Re: Only potential differences matter

2007-08-13 Thread Horace Heffner
On Aug 13, 2007, at 7:44 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: 1. Is it possible to establish a condition where it is certain there are more negative charges than positive at some point P on a given plate surface? 2. Is it possible to establish a condition where it is certain there are more positive ch

[Vo]:Born-Again Batteries

2007-08-13 Thread Jones Beene
As far as I know, Joe Newman was the first to create a small stir with the "dead battery" swapping-and-reviving routine. It does work, no doubt about that. John Bedini came along and got most of the credit, but still few experts believe that there is anything to it - other than can be explaine

Re: [Vo]:Re: Only potential differences matter

2007-08-13 Thread Horace Heffner
On Aug 13, 2007, at 7:30 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: - Original Message - From: "Horace Heffner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Only potential differences matter On Aug 13, 2007, at 2:59 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: Measuring relat

[Vo]:Re: Only potential differences matter

2007-08-13 Thread Michel Jullian
- Original Message - From: "Horace Heffner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Only potential differences matter > > On Aug 13, 2007, at 2:59 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: > >>> Measuring relative surface potentials between two >>> electro

[Vo]:Re: Only potential differences matter

2007-08-13 Thread Michel Jullian
- Original Message - From: "Horace Heffner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Only potential differences matter > > On Aug 13, 2007, at 2:59 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: > >>> Measuring relative surface potentials between two >>> electro

Re: [Vo]:Walmart delay on CF Book

2007-08-13 Thread edmund storms
Dear Horace, The book is available from www.worldscientific.com and can be obtain by airmail in a few days. The books being distributed by WalMart are in transit from Singapore were they are printed. Ed Horace Heffner wrote: Walmart last notified me the shipping date was July 28, 2007 for

Re: [Vo]:Re: High efficiency electrolysis

2007-08-13 Thread thomas malloy
Stiffler Scientific wrote: thomas malloy said; The idea is to use the potential to cause the oxygen and hydrogen to pull apart, not to muscle in an electron. That's the way a Faraday electrolyzer works. So you are saying the Boyce cell does not work by Oxidation-Reduction reaction? I don

Re: [Vo]:Re: Only potential differences matter

2007-08-13 Thread Horace Heffner
On Aug 13, 2007, at 2:59 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: Measuring relative surface potentials between two electrodes simply doesn't tell you if there are excess surface electrons on one or both or neither. It still seems pretty obvious to me. You can say that three times it won't make it true, wh

Re: [Vo]:Re: Only potential differences matter

2007-08-13 Thread Horace Heffner
On Aug 13, 2007, at 2:59 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: Measuring relative surface potentials between two electrodes simply doesn't tell you if there are excess surface electrons on one or both or neither. It still seems pretty obvious to me. You can say that three times it won't make it true, wh

[Vo]:Re: Only potential differences matter

2007-08-13 Thread Michel Jullian
> Measuring relative surface potentials between two > electrodes simply doesn't tell you if there are excess surface > electrons on one or both or neither. It still seems pretty obvious > to me. You can say that three times it won't make it true, whatever Lewis Carroll says ;-) Come on, w