Re: [Vo]:[OT] Questions about WTC collapse (sorry to rerun this!)

2007-09-11 Thread Nick Palmer
Steven, if you like conspiracy and are puzzled by the iron spheres in the dust, you might like to watch the videos on this webpage (figure 34 onwards). http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam3.html#disintegrate This shows steel beams apparently turning into dust. The author says this i

Re: [Vo]:Utility plans 1,000 MW of batteries including PHEV

2007-09-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks wrote: In my own defense I believe the 60% (approx) loss was from data you originally discovered through various government agencies - that you posted in this discussion group. 60% is how much late-model generators lose. They convert 40% of the fuel energy into electricity. Nukes a

Re: [Vo]:Utility plans 1,000 MW of batteries including PHEV

2007-09-11 Thread OrionWorks
Jed sez: > OrionWorks wrote: > > >But then, I wonder if it might still be better than the reported 60% > >loss through transmission lines just to get the electricity from the > >average power plant to my wall socket. > > It is nowhere near as large as that. In 1990 PG&E estimated 8% losses > for 50

[Vo]:NREL stats for peak capacity etc.

2007-09-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here are some useful stats: http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epa/epates.html 2005 data Net Generation (thousand megawatt hours) Nuclear: 781,986 All Energy Sources: 4,054,688 Net summer generating capacity (megawatts): Nuclear: 99,988 . . . Pumped storage: 21,347 [Not really an energy

Re: [Vo]:Utility plans 1,000 MW of batteries including PHEV

2007-09-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks wrote: But then, I wonder if it might still be better than the reported 60% loss through transmission lines just to get the electricity from the average power plant to my wall socket. It is nowhere near as large as that. In 1990 PG&E estimated 8% losses for 500 miles. Other estimat

Re: [Vo]:ArXiv article on shock wave prevention

2007-09-11 Thread David Jonsson
It updates 20.00 eastern US time each day. Check again. David On 9/10/07, Stephen A. Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Looks like it's not available for public viewing (yet) on Arxiv. I was > told: > > > ArXiv.org considers submissions to be confidential between the > > submitter and/or auth

Re: [Vo]:Utility plans 1,000 MW of batteries including PHEV

2007-09-11 Thread OrionWorks
thomas malloy wrote: > Jed Rothwell wrote: > > > A power utility is installing gigantic sodium sulfur batteries that > > store 7 MWH each. It also plans to use customer's PHEV as temporary > > storage. See: > > > Interesting post Jed. The price seems high, and the 80% of energy back > doesn't soun

Re: [Vo]:Triboelectric metals

2007-09-11 Thread Michael Foster
--- Horace Heffner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is surprising that lead is a powerful electron donor, as powerful > as "cat fur": > > http://www.school-for-champions.com/science/static_materials.htm > > Also noted as a weak donor is aluminum. > > This seems somewhat consistent with the el

RE: [Vo]:Utility plans 1,000 MW of batteries including PHEV

2007-09-11 Thread Zell, Chris
Maybe the vanadium flow cells were more expensive. -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 12:35 PM To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Utility plans 1,000 MW of batteries including PHEV A power utility is installing gigantic s

Re: [Vo]:Utility plans 1,000 MW of batteries including PHEV

2007-09-11 Thread thomas malloy
Jed Rothwell wrote: A power utility is installing gigantic sodium sulfur batteries that store 7 MWH each. It also plans to use customer's PHEV as temporary storage. See: Interesting post Jed. The price seems high, and the 80% of energy back doesn't sound so good either. --- http://USFamil

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Questions about WTC collapse (sorry to rerun this!)

2007-09-11 Thread R.C.Macaulay
To answer Stepehen Lawrence's question.. the answer is ..I do not know, I was not there and I have no inside knowledge. The information provided by news sources and governments is now a matter of record , however, each must draw their own conclusions when conflicting views are published. My pe

[Vo]:Utility plans 1,000 MW of batteries including PHEV

2007-09-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
A power utility is installing gigantic sodium sulfur batteries that store 7 MWH each. It also plans to use customer's PHEV as temporary storage. See: Utility Will Use Batteries to Store Wind Power http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/11/business/11battery.html AEP to Deploy Additional Large-Scale B

[Vo]:OFF TOPIC Solar powered UAV makes record flight

2007-09-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Wow. See: http://www.qinetiq.com/home/newsroom/news_releases_homepage/2007/3rd_quarter/qinetiq_s_zephyr_uav.html http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/09/solar-drone-bre.html It reached 58,000 feet, and remained aloft for 54 hours. The comments in Wired about laser weapons are screwy. But this th

[Vo]:[OT] Questions about WTC collapse (sorry to rerun this!)

2007-09-11 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Sorry to rake this up again, but I've got a couple questions about this, and in the past, Vortex has provided the clearest, most cogent, and most diverse comments on 9/11 I've seen anywhere. (Maybe I should broaden my reading, eh?) :-) Background: I'm firmly in Jed's camp on this. But last nig

Re: [Vo]:*****SEE 7,500-lb ENERGY MACHINE USING VOLTAGE FROM TINY 9v BATTERIES!!!

2007-09-11 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
JNPCo. wrote: [spam snipped] Could we keep the ALL CAPS HTML SPAM off the group, please? The weight of the machine is irrelevant to any claim of OU -- only energy out versus energy in matters, and the spam said nothing about that, very probably because EO versus EI balances. FWIW a 9 volt b

Re: [Vo]:Electron Affinity and the Dry Pile Draft #1

2007-09-11 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 11, 2007, at 1:39 AM, Nick Palmer wrote: Horace wrote > Wow Horace, looks like you're tidying things up for a patent applic

Re: [Vo]:Electron Affinity and the Dry Pile Draft #1

2007-09-11 Thread Nick Palmer
Horace wrote > Wow Horace, looks like you're tidying things up for a patent application!