[Vo]:Re:Valone cited thermovoltaic cells as cheap energy devices

2008-05-06 Thread Charles M. Brown
I see the equilibrium as being between electron / hole pairs made by IR photons from anywhere and the recombination of electron / hole pairs back into IR photons. If the energy of the electron / hole pairs goes into the electrical circuit then some thermal energy is converted into electrical e

Re: [Vo]:Valone cited thermovoltaic cells as cheap energy devices.

2008-05-06 Thread Harry Veeder
On 6/5/2008 1:40 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: > > > On 6/5/2008 12:09 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > >> --- Charles M. Brown wrote: >> >>> Paul Lowrance calculated that ambient IR blackbody >> radiation was ~ 400 watts/ M^2. >> >> Even if this figure were to be correct, and I think it >> is high - >> >

Re: [Vo]:Re: Valone cited thermovoltaic cells as cheap energy devices

2008-05-06 Thread Jones Beene
--- Charles M. Brown wrote: > Instead of IR photons being plentiful at a source and rare at a sink, I see events as the IR creating electron / hole pairs that are locally out of equilibrium Well OK - that works *one time* - but after the one time, in which the local imbalance comes back into e

[Vo]:Re: Valone cited thermovoltaic cells as cheap energy devices

2008-05-06 Thread Charles M. Brown
Instead of IR photons being plentiful at a source and rare at a sink, I see events as the IR creating electron / hole pairs that are locally out of equilibrium and then pulled apart by the local crystal charge so the electrons are pulled to the N doped side and the holes to the P side as light

Re: [Vo]:The Valone Matter

2008-05-06 Thread Nick Palmer
Thomas wrote: > http://www.rexresearch.com/roschin/roschin.htm

Re: [Vo]:Valone cited thermovoltaic cells as cheap energy devices.

2008-05-06 Thread Harry Veeder
On 6/5/2008 12:09 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > --- Charles M. Brown wrote: > >> Paul Lowrance calculated that ambient IR blackbody > radiation was ~ 400 watts/ M^2. > > Even if this figure were to be correct, and I think it > is high - > > ... the problem is not the absolute level of blackbody >

Re: [Vo]:The Valone Matter

2008-05-06 Thread thomas malloy
George Hathaway wrote: Thomas, Before hanging Tom Valone from the nearest tree, note that there is a large spectrum of possibilities in the words "working Searle (sic) Machine". Semantics have always played a pivotal role in Free Energy research. "Working" may mean anything from "It spins

Re: [Vo]:Valone cited thermovoltaic cells as cheap energy devices.

2008-05-06 Thread Jones Beene
--- Charles M. Brown wrote: > Paul Lowrance calculated that ambient IR blackbody radiation was ~ 400 watts/ M^2. Even if this figure were to be correct, and I think it is high - ... the problem is not the absolute level of blackbody irradiation, per se, BUT instead it is finding the proper "sin

[Vo]:Algoil animated

2008-05-06 Thread Jones Beene
Visual aid for kidz and/or Mo'-Rons: Is energy-independence as simple as cartoon reality? Maybe... ... anyway, if a picture is worth a thousand words, and if you are not yet clear, with mental imagery, as to what energy-independence (or a significant portion thereof) will look like in a few year

[Vo]:Valone cited thermovoltaic cells as cheap energy devices.

2008-05-06 Thread Charles M. Brown
I listened to Tom Valone on C to C too. He mentioned that solar cells from Kyrocea in Japan http://www.kyocerasolar.com/ specifically but probably not exclusively produced energy from ambient IR at night. I believe this is a cheap energy source worth pursuing though a feeble search of kyocer

Re: [Vo]:The Valone Matter

2008-05-06 Thread George Hathaway
Thomas, Before hanging Tom Valone from the nearest tree, note that there is a large spectrum of possibilities in the words "working Searle (sic) Machine". Semantics have always played a pivotal role in Free Energy research. "Working" may mean anything from "It spins by itself, although we h

Re: [Vo]:The Valone Matter

2008-05-06 Thread R C Macaulay
Howdy Thomas, Shooting cardsharps is a waste of bullets.Ya hafta think like Bear Stearns (B-S) and not like a crooked ole west Sheriff or Jesse James in todays world. In one slick move B-S took the house for more bucks than Las Vegas ever earned total. Yet, among the masters of the game, B-S

[Vo]:Re: Eye of the Gyre

2008-05-06 Thread Michel Jullian
Thanks Nick, your suggestions and help regarding such an assessment would be welcome. Note this project differs from the Planktos scheme in that the crop is not left to rot and drop to the ocean bottom, and in that iron or any artificial fertilization may not be needed: considering the extensiv

[Vo]:Petrol price

2008-05-06 Thread Nick Palmer
Petrol is now just about $10 an (imperial) gallon here = about $8.30 a US gallon...