Re: [Vo]:BAN ON POLITICS still in effect here

2009-06-09 Thread William Beaty
On Mon, 8 Jun 2009, Harry Veeder wrote: Maybe I did miss something. Did you ban someone for their religious commentary? This was my May 20 message: Let's just do the usual: move all the off-topic discussions to vortexB-L. It's time for a temporary ban on all off-topic discussions, most

[Vo]:BEWARE: replies to crosspost sends politics here

2009-06-09 Thread William Beaty
John Berry apologized for replying to a political message crossposted to vortex-L and vortexB-L. He thought he was sending it to vortexB only. Watch out for that. Never put vortex-L and vortexB-L in the same message address. Rule 5 bans crossposting; the including of vortex-L in any message

[Vo]:Unobsfucation

2009-06-09 Thread Alexander Hollins
So, based on recent kvetching, i figured id go ahead and be one of the unknowns to use a more professional email address. It was this or, lordalexanderthes...@witchesforjesus.com This one works better, i think.

Re: [Vo]:BAN ON POLITICS still in effect here

2009-06-09 Thread thomas malloy
OrionWorks wrote: I recall two recent comments of worth: Harry Veeder wrote: If political commentary is banned, why not ban religious commentary as well? And from Stephen Lawrance: The specific problem was caused by incontinent spraying of political issues over every

[Vo]:First IREO Renewable Energy Conference at the United Nations

2009-06-09 Thread Horace Heffner
Riggs Eckelberry of Origin Oil (algoil producer), Daniel Nocera of MIT, and others to address the first annual Intergovernmental Renewable Energy Organization (IREO) Renewable Energy Conference at the United Nations headquarters in New York City on Thursday, June 11, 2009.

Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation and relativity. Was Relativistic magnetic fields and time

2009-06-09 Thread Alexander Hollins
The meson data is consistent with the predictions made using SR, and so can be viewed as supporting it. Other interpretations are certainly possible, however, and this experiment, alone, certainly doesn't *prove*that time dilation occurs; to claim so is to step way outside the bounds of

Re: [Vo]:BAN ON POLITICS still in effect here

2009-06-09 Thread Alexander Hollins
Lets NOT actually discuss the political posts that caused the whole furor on this list, mmmkay? That's just throwing gasoline back on the fire that our good moderator is TRYING to put out. You want to discuss grok and his posting habits and politics directly, send it to B where it belongs

Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation and relativity. Was Relativistic magnetic fields and time

2009-06-09 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Alexander Hollins wrote: The meson data is consistent with the predictions made using SR, and so can be viewed as supporting it. Other interpretations are certainly possible, however, and this experiment, alone, certainly doesn't *prove*that time dilation occurs; to claim so is to step way

Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation and relativity. Was Relativistic magnetic fields and time

2009-06-09 Thread Alexander Hollins
They ran it with an sr71 and a ground based clock. I can find no evidence for this online, so we have to go by what my father (a marine at the base the experiment was ran from) told me he was told by his friend, who, while not the pilot for that experiment, was a pilot for other experiments run

Re: [Vo]:Relativistic magnetic fields and time

2009-06-09 Thread Michael Crosiar
We create a torroidal magnetic field and rotate it Whoops your gedanken just jumped the tracks. You *can't* rotate a field. You can rotate an object. You can rotate a frame of reference. You can rotate your head trying to follow an obscure argument. But you can't rotate a field, nor

Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation and relativity. Was Relativistic magnetic fields and time

2009-06-09 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Alexander Hollins wrote: They ran it with an sr71 and a ground based clock. I can find no evidence for this online, so we have to go by what my father (a marine at the base the experiment was ran from) told me he was told by his friend, who, while not the pilot for that experiment, was a

Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation and relativity. Was Relativistic magnetic fields and time

2009-06-09 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Stephen A. Lawrencesa...@pobox.com wrote: AFAIK the experiment using atomic clocks on airplanes has been done just once, and used clocks flown on commercial airliners for two single trips around the world, going in opposite directions. Oh, it's happening every

Re: [Vo]:Relativistic magnetic fields and time

2009-06-09 Thread OrionWorks
A thought experiment... Is it conceivable that a relatively small PM could be encased in a non-magnetic casing of some high-tech sort prior to spinning it up to RPMs in the range of, oh, lets say possibly within the spectrum of low radio. If the high-tech encasing was balanced perfectly so it

Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation and relativity. Was Relativistic magnetic fields and time

2009-06-09 Thread Alexander Hollins
I wish I could. all i have is stories my father told me when i was a kid. I also no longer have the pic of myself as a baby in 81 sitting in the cockpit of one of the pre-production apaches... Sigh. On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Stephen A. Lawrencesa...@pobox.com wrote: Alexander Hollins

Re: [Vo]:Relativistic magnetic fields and time

2009-06-09 Thread Michael Crosiar
What makes you believe it would radiate any EM? The field is rotating, it is not expanding or collapsing. I see this as a standing or scalar wave. I would expect an E-field, but no EM radiation. From: OrionWorks svj.orionwo...@gmail.com To:

Re: [Vo]:Relativistic magnetic fields and time

2009-06-09 Thread Michael Crosiar
I believe I am using the term magnetic domain wrong, but I'm unsure what you would call the alignment of charged particles in a plasma. From: Michael Crosiar crosia...@yahoo.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 9:43:35 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [Vo]:BAN ON POLITICS still in effect here

2009-06-09 Thread thomas malloy
Alexander Hollins wrote: Lets NOT actually discuss the political posts that caused the whole furor on this list, mmmkay? That's just throwing gasoline back on the fire that our good moderator is TRYING to put out. You want to discuss grok and his posting habits and politics directly, send

Re: [Vo]:Relativistic magnetic fields and time

2009-06-09 Thread OrionWorks
From Michael Corsiar: What makes you believe it would radiate any EM? I don't. Not sure what to believe. It's why I'm askin... The field is rotating, it is not expanding or collapsing. I see this as a standing or scalar wave. I would expect an E-field, but no EM radiation. I think the

[Vo]:Traffic flow

2009-06-09 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
I know this is of interest to Bill: http://www.rdmag.com/ShowPR~PUBCODE~014~ACCT~140101~ISSUE~0906~RELTYPE~PSC~PRODCODE~~PRODLETT~EI.html Hoyt Stearns Scottsdale, Arizona US http://HoytStearns.com

Re: [Vo]:Relativistic magnetic fields and time

2009-06-09 Thread John Berry
Ok, so take a magnet (it's a thought experiment so the realities of near relativistic speeds of a spinning object interest me not), rotate it in such a way that it's magnetic poles flip. The field at some distance from the magnet must logically be moving greater than C. So we have 2

Re: [Vo]:Relativistic magnetic fields and time

2009-06-09 Thread Michael Crosiar
Ok, so take a magnet (it's a thought experiment so the realities of near relativistic speeds of a spinning object interest me not), Thank you! rotate it in such a way that it's magnetic poles flip. Actually, I don't think this is the normal rotation, I am more interested in the axial

Re: [Vo]:Relativistic magnetic fields and time

2009-06-09 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Michael Crosiar wrote: We create a torroidal magnetic field and rotate it Whoops your gedanken just jumped the tracks. You *can't* rotate a field. You can rotate an object. You can rotate a frame of reference. You can rotate your head trying to follow an obscure argument. But you

Re: [Vo]:Relativistic magnetic fields and time

2009-06-09 Thread John Berry
Ok, well if it's axial field orientation then I would say you have walked right into the N-Machine paradox. Which is, does the magnetic field actually rotate when you rotate a magnet on an axial orientation? It is very difficult to prove since the only effect from an axially rotating magnet is a

Re: [Vo]:Relativistic magnetic fields and time

2009-06-09 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
OrionWorks wrote: A thought experiment... Is it conceivable that a relatively small PM could be encased in a non-magnetic casing of some high-tech sort prior to spinning it up to RPMs in the range of, oh, lets say possibly within the spectrum of low radio. This would be EXTREMELY

Re: [Vo]:Relativistic magnetic fields and time

2009-06-09 Thread John Berry
BTW I might add one thing. Even if a magnetic field can exceed the speed of light in this sense it is not really clear how that compares to any other form of movement. For instance a magnetic field can be made to appear to rotate by turning on electromagnets in order as with the rotating stator

[Vo]:Possible book of interest to Vorts...

2009-06-09 Thread Mark Iverson
FYI, The Crime of Reason and the Closing of the Scientific Mind Robert D. Laughlin, Reviewed by Edward Gerjuoy Basic Books, New York, 2008. $25.95 (186 pp.). ISBN 978-0-465-00507-9 -Mark

[Vo]:Off topic Reply to pupman.com

2009-06-09 Thread Harvey Norris
First I answered quite a few questions about the 60 hz resonances I have procurred to the moderator of tesla pupman list, but when another poster asked a question it was refused as off topic. I also have now come to a point of application concerning interphasal resonances as I have promoted

Re: [Vo]:Traffic flow

2009-06-09 Thread mixent
In reply to Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.'s message of Tue, 9 Jun 2009 14:20:30 -0700: Hi, [snip] I know this is of interest to Bill: http://www.rdmag.com/ShowPR~PUBCODE~014~ACCT~140101~ISSUE~0906~RELTYPE~PSC~PRODCODE~~PRODLETT~EI.html Hoyt Stearns Scottsdale, Arizona US

[Vo]:Binary Resonant TC Primary Design

2009-06-09 Thread Harvey Norris
Of course I will be happy to again make a new innovation with the design of what might be termed a Power factor corrected TC primary These will be the subject of future flicker URL submissions. In actuality I have posted to tesla list years ago on the titled concept bearing the same name. For