Re: [Vo]:Re: Piantelli's group gets its act together

2015-12-23 Thread mixent
In reply to Bob Cook's message of Wed, 23 Dec 2015 16:13:39 -0800: Hi, [snip] >A Li 2 molecule was what I was thinking about. I doubt there is much data >for such a reaction. Also keep in mind that I am not considering that the >proton reacts. That's the problem. You are not considering it

[Vo]:Re: Piantelli's group gets its act together

2015-12-23 Thread Bob Cook
Robin-- You may be right for a two body system and maybe an ionic crystal as well. I was considering a coherent system of several bodies (maybe many bodies) with the potential arrangement of parameters to achieve a lower energy state, consistent with the second law. The many bodied wave func

Re: [Vo]:Re: Essay: The cold fusion horizon

2015-12-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alain Sepeda wrote: > For long the scientists have a real job, like tax officer (Lavoisir), > patent officer (Einstein), Engineer and painter (Da vinci), industrialists > (Wright brothers, Lumière brothers),.. > The scientists did not have to please their peers to eat, but to please a > client w

Re: [Vo]:Re: Essay: The cold fusion horizon

2015-12-23 Thread Alain Sepeda
There is a discussion on evolutionist website agains cold fusion (citing seagull) https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2015/12/23/cold-fusion-back-in-the-spotlight-courtesy-of-templeton-2/#comment-1280005 It is sad to see the anti-creatonist fall int that academic meme, and ridicule Science in

RE: [Vo]:Re: Essay: The cold fusion horizon

2015-12-23 Thread Chris Zell
From: alain.coetm...@gmail.com [mailto:alain.coetm...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Alain Sepeda Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 3:33 PM To: Vortex List Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Essay: The cold fusion horizon 2015-12-23 21:03 GMT+01:00 Jed Rothwell mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com>>: Or as Stan Szpak

Re: [Vo]:Re: Piantelli's group gets its act together

2015-12-23 Thread mixent
In reply to Bob Cook's message of Tue, 22 Dec 2015 20:43:39 -0800: Hi, [snip] >However, If it could act like a muon, then it would seem possible that a >molecular form of Li(+3)-Li(+3) with 5 electrons and a H(-1) binding it >together may occur. In this case the H(-1) could cause a close approa

Re: [Vo]:Re: Essay: The cold fusion horizon

2015-12-23 Thread Alain Sepeda
2015-12-23 21:03 GMT+01:00 Jed Rothwell : > > Or as Stan Szpak put it, scientists believe whatever you pay them to > believe. > This quote is key to understanding modern science, however I thinks it was much different before (except maybe in imperial china). For long the scientists have a real

Re: [Vo]:Re: Essay: The cold fusion horizon

2015-12-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil wrote: If you get science by the pockets, their hearts and minds will follow. > Or as Stan Szpak put it, scientists believe whatever you pay them to believe. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Re: Essay: The cold fusion horizon

2015-12-23 Thread Axil Axil
If you get science by the pockets, their hearts and minds will follow. On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Bob Cook wrote: > Peter and Alain-- > > I agree that Kuhn would have a field day. However, I do not think he > would agree with Rossi apparent theory that commercializing a new > technology w

[Vo]:Re: Essay: The cold fusion horizon

2015-12-23 Thread Bob Cook
Peter and Alain-- I agree that Kuhn would have a field day. However, I do not think he would agree with Rossi apparent theory that commercializing a new technology will lead to better research and behavior of scientists. We will see. Bob Cook From: Peter Gluck Sent: Wednesday, December 23,

[Vo]:Pluralism in Science​​: A Call to Action​

2015-12-23 Thread H Veeder
The post ​b elow ​includes part A of chapter 5 from the book ​ Is Water H2O? Evidence, Realism and Pluralism ​ by ​ Hasok Chang ​, 2012.​ (available on amazon.com) link to complete C ​hapter 5​: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxxczzEYA5C5aHRQUTdoN3o2d3c/view?usp=sharing Chapter 5. Plur

RE: [Vo]:Re: Piantelli's group gets its act together

2015-12-23 Thread Jones Beene
From: Bob Cook The stability of the H(-1) ion may be quite stable in a strong magnetic field which would support the formation and stability of paired electrons. Ostensibly this ion would have a net negative charge which should tend to counteract the formation of smaller diameter ions, due t

[Vo]:great researchers have their own style, what does this mean for the R&R situation?

2015-12-23 Thread Peter Gluck
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/12/dec-23-2015-lenr-research-style.html Style- sometimes a looser style connection between the title and the content is OK. But not a loser style Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Essay: The cold fusion horizon

2015-12-23 Thread Peter Gluck
Mon cher Alain, Wouldn't you have the kindness to make an EGO OUT guest editorial why not for NOEL, from these ideas a bit developed/ Peter On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Alain Sepeda wrote: > Clearly psychology of groups, epistemology, sociology, ethnology of > science, will consider Cold F