Re: [Vo]: Re: Bell, Bang and Entangle

2006-07-07 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s message of Wed, 05 Jul 2006 19:52:58 -0400: Hi, [snip] TB: I understand your position. Intuitively, I agree with you with great glee. It is identical to Einstein, Podolsky and Rosen. However, the data shows that the Bell Inequalities exist. Here's a good

Re: [Vo]: Re: Bell, Bang and Entangle

2006-07-07 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s message of Wed, 05 Jul 2006 19:52:58 -0400: Hi, [snip] TB: That is the simple answer; but, it does not jive with current SQM experiments. In this case, we are speaking of *single* photon interference patterns. I'm not even sure there is such a thing. OTOH it's

Re: [Vo]: Re: Bell, Bang and Entangle

2006-07-07 Thread hohlrauml6d
-Original Message- From: Robin van Spaandonk It's also possible that there is no such thing as a photon. Agreed. However, one must know where one is in order to get to where one wants to be. Depending on what 'is' 'is'. T

Re: [Vo]: Re: Bell, Bang and Entangle

2006-07-07 Thread hohlrauml6d
I said:   Depending on what 'is' 'is'.  Change that to: Depending on what 'is' is. T

[Vo]: Re: Bell, Bang and Entangle

2006-07-07 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton -- Robin van Spaandonk It's also possible that there is no such thing as a photon. This is Don Hotson's contention. I would not attempt to argue with Don on any point in his excellent essays -except to say that there are probably more

Re: [Vo]: Re: Bell, Bang and Entangle

2006-07-07 Thread Grimer
At 05:28 pm 07/07/2006 -0700, you wrote: -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton -- Robin van Spaandonk It's also possible that there is no such thing as a photon. This is Don Hotson's contention. It was also Caroline T's opinion [Requiescat in pace] and no doubt many others. I

Re: [Vo]: Re: Bell, Bang and Entangle

2006-07-07 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s message of Fri, 07 Jul 2006 20:21:05 -0400: Hi, [snip] Agreed. However, one must know where one is in order to get to where one wants to be. [snip] IOW we build castles in the air. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/ Competition

Re: [Vo]: Re: Bell, Bang and Entangle

2006-07-07 Thread hohlrauml6d
-Original Message- From: Robin van Spaandonk IOW we build castles in the air. :-) One of those hierarchical airs, IMO. ;-) T

[Vo]: Re: Bell, Bang and Entangle

2006-07-05 Thread hohlrauml6d
-Original Message- From: Robin van Spaandonk All the balls in the box are connected in pairs, one blue ball connected to one red ball. But John Bell has stated and subsequent experiments prove that such is not reality. The balls are not correlated prior to measurement, their

Re: [Vo]: Re: Bell, Bang and Entangle

2006-07-05 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s message of Wed, 05 Jul 2006 08:47:39 -0400: Hi, [snip] All the balls in the box are connected in pairs, one blue ball connected to one red ball. But John Bell has stated and subsequent experiments prove that such is not reality. The balls are not correlated

[Vo]: Re: Bell, Bang and Entangle

2006-07-05 Thread hohlrauml6d
-Original Message- From: Robin van Spaandonk RS: ...and exactly how does one know that the color is indeterminate if no measurement has been done, TB: I understand your position. Intuitively, I agree with you with great glee. It is identical to Einstein, Podolsky and Rosen.

[Vo]: Re: Bell, Bang and Entangle

2006-07-05 Thread hohlrauml6d
-Original Message-  From: Robin van Spaandonk    RS: ...and exactly how does one know that the color is indeterminate  if no measurement has been done,    TB: I understand your position. Intuitively, I agree with you with great glee. It is identical to Einstein, Podolsky and Rosen.

Re: [Vo]: Re: Bell, Bang and Entangle

2006-07-02 Thread Harry Veeder
I think the results of such experiments are evidence of absolute time since you can't get more non-local than absolute time. Harry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, June 30, 2006 9:16 pm Subject: [Vo]: Re: Bell, Bang and Entangle -Original Message

[Vo]: Re: Bell, Bang and Entangle

2006-06-30 Thread hohlrauml6d
-Original Message- From: Robin van Spaandonk Actually I don't even believe that information is transferred, let alone energy. That is the claim of the standard quantum physics proponent. Let's try this: Creation of an particle anti-particle pair results in a dual vortex in the

Re: [Vo]: Re: Bell, Bang and Entangle

2006-06-30 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s message of Fri, 30 Jun 2006 21:16:15 -0400: Hi, [snip] -Original Message- From: Robin van Spaandonk Actually I don't even believe that information is transferred, let alone energy. Perhaps I should have said I don't even believe that information is

[Vo]: Re: Bell, Bang and Entangle

2006-06-29 Thread hohlrauml6d
A recent Bell-based attack on SR:    http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/9906036  BTW, Brian Greene's book has replaced Alice and Bob with Scully and Mulder, as in the referenced paper. More apropos considering spooky action at a distance, n'est-ce pas? Terry  

[Vo]: Re: Bell, Bang and Entangle

2006-06-29 Thread hohlrauml6d
One side note: For those Vorts who might not get the subject title: http://imdb.com/title/tt0051406/ My lusty heart rejects that I was only 4 when Kim Novak made this movie. Terry